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5 min read“The Federal Reserve is no longer forecasting a recession. And we just wanted to thank some of the economic stars that got us to where we are today. First off, Taylor Swift. You bought tickets, you booked hotels, and you wrote those lift scooters in the middle of the street quite dangerously. Most importantly, you boosted TDP Taylor Domestic Product.”
That was the Instagram post that made Kai Ryssdal, host of Marketplace, realize he had to get Kyla Scanlon on the air. Scanlon, an economic educator with millions of followers across social media, had coined the phrase “vibecession” in July 2022 to describe the gap between strong economic data and terrible consumer sentiment. At a live Marketplace event in Los Angeles, Ryssdal sat down with Scanlon and with longtime host David Brancaccio to talk about where the economy stands, what’s changing at the show, and why the future feels so uncertain.
The vibecession, the debt, and the market’s indifference
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What you'll learn
- 1 (02:27) **Kai Opens the Live Show** - Kai Ryssdal welcomes the audience to the first big live show in a long time, explaining the three-part structure: the economy with Kyla Scanlon, Marketplace’s methods with David Brancaccio, and his own closing thoughts.
- 2 (03:50) **Introducing Kyla Scanlon** - Kai recounts discovering Kyla Scanlon on Instagram during a Fed day, highlighting their shared mission to raise economic intelligence, albeit with her "hipper" style.
- 3 (07:14) **Kyla’s Origin Story & the "Vibecession"** - Kyla explains her journey from selling cars in Kentucky to becoming an economics educator, and defines the "vibecession" she coined in 2022.
- 4 (10:09) **Why Economic Education Matters** - Kyla and Kai discuss the importance of making the economy accessible, and Kyla shares how her younger audience feels about the current economy.
- 5 (12:53) **The Scary Trends: Inflation, AI, and Debt** - Kyla identifies sticky inflation, the AI investment bubble, and the national debt as her top concerns for the economy.
- 6 (15:44) **Markets as "Idiots" and the Trump Factor** - Kai posits that the stock market is an "idiot" detached from geopolitical chaos, and Kyla agrees, explaining the market's complacency enables poor policy decisions.
- 7 (19:07) **Kyla’s Creative Process & Second Book** - Kyla describes how her long-form Substack newsletter allows her to explore ideas (like tying Ozempic to economics) and test concepts for her books.
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Show Notes
Nearly 600 Marketplace fans gathered at the Aratani Theatre in downtown Los Angeles to watch Kai Ryssdal present Marketplace Live, in partnership with LAist.
Kai was joined onstage by economics author, educator, and content creator Kyla Scanlon to talk about AI, prediction markets, Federal Reserve independence, and the war in Iran. Later, former “Marketplace Morning Report” host David Brancaccio joined Kai to discuss his experience rebuilding after the LA fire and his new job as Marketplace senior correspondent covering future effects.
Note: This show was recorded on March 29, and the situation in Iran has changed since then. Follow our latest coverage here.
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