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#473 — Money, Power, and Moral Failure

April 29, 2026

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#473 — Money, Power, and Moral Failure

Lloyd Blankfein, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, joined Sam Harris to discuss the 2008 financial crisis, the role of financial institutions, and the growing disconnect between market valuations and economic reality. Blankfein, who grew up in public housing and rose to lead one of the world's most powerful investment banks, offered a defense of Wall Street's function while acknowledging deep problems with wealth distribution and political dysfunction.

What Goldman Sachs Actually Does

Blankfein described Goldman Sachs as a "wholesale financial institution" — meaning ordinary people cannot get mortgages or bank there. Instead, the firm acts as an intermediary between those who need capital (entrepreneurs, governments, municipalities) and those who have capital to invest (institutions, sovereign wealth funds, high-net-worth individuals). A second function is risk transfer: Goldman helps parties shed unwanted risk and finds others willing to assume it for a price. Because these parties rarely match up simultaneously, Goldman often takes on risk as a principal until it can find the other side of the trade, using mathematical models to construct hedges that approximate the original exposure.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:01) **Introduction & The Lens of the Crisis** - Sam Harris introduces Lloyd Blankfein and frames the conversation around the lessons of the 2008 financial crisis, which Blankfein navigated as CEO of Goldman Sachs.
  • 2 (02:17) **Defining Goldman Sachs: The Wholesale Bridge** - Blankfein explains the core function of Goldman Sachs as a wholesale financial institution that bridges capital and risk.
  • 3 (04:41) **The Fiduciary vs. Market Maker Confusion (The Paulson Trade)** - The conversation delves into the specific controversy where Blankfein was vilified for his role in the mortgage market collapse.
  • 4 (07:07) **The Systemic Contagion: From Solvent to Implosion** - Harris probes how Goldman Sachs, despite being well-hedged and profitable, was nearly brought down by the broader crisis.
  • 5 (10:06) **Evaluating the Government’s Crisis Response** - Blankfein assesses the government’s handling of the 2008 crisis and draws a parallel to the COVID-19 stimulus.
  • 6 (12:01) **Lessons Learned (or Unlearned) for the Next Crisis** - Harris worries that society is *less* prepared for a future crisis (e.g., a worse pandemic) due to eroded trust. Blankfein applies this logic to the financial system.
  • 7 (14:45) **Diagnosing the Current Economic Landscape** - Blankfein identifies the most pressing near-term risks and the fundamental structural issues in the economy.

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Show Notes

Sam Harris speaks with Lloyd Blankfein about finance, politics, and the state of American society. They discuss Blankfein's memoir, Goldman Sachs and its role as a market maker, the 2007-2008 financial crisis, the AI investment bubble, wealth inequality and the rise of trillionaires, the crisis of antisemitism on the left and right, Trump-era corruption and the post-truth political environment, the national debt, and other topics.

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