Not Over Yet | EP 15

July 9, 2026

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Not Over Yet | EP 15

On Friday, June 26th, Clayton Eckard walked into the Maricopa County Superior Courthouse hoping for a resolution—one that included jail or prison time for Laura Owens, the woman who had been his romantic partner and who now faces 14 felony charges including fraud, forgery, perjury, and theft by extortion. As he entered the courtroom, he did something he'd done before: he tried to catch Laura's gaze, to let her know he wasn't afraid of her. Usually she looked away. But this time was different. "She looked away and then looked right back, stared at me for a couple of seconds, and did that about four times," Clayton said afterward. "I almost saw in her eyes like a sadness at what she's done."

The Settlement Conference

The hearing was a settlement conference—an informal meeting where a defendant can have a more transparent conversation with the judge about the options on the table. Commissioner Jonathan Simon presided, and he walked Laura through the potential consequences if she didn't take the plea deal. If found guilty on all counts, the worst-case scenario would be staggering: over 37 years for the 11 class four felonies, over 25 years for the two class two felonies, and two more years for the class six felony. The commissioner said he didn't think that was likely, but he wanted Laura to understand what was at stake.

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What you'll learn

1 (02:01) **Clayton Heads to Courthouse for Plea Hearing** - Clayton sends a voice note as he heads to Maricopa County Superior Court, hoping for a resolution that includes jail or prison time for Laura.
2 (04:17) **Laura's Case and the Extended Plea Deadline** - Laura faces 14 felony charges, including fraud, forgery, perjury, and theft by extortion, and the plea deadline is extended again.
3 (05:02) **Settlement Conference: The Judge Explains the Stakes** - Commissioner Jonathan Simon holds an informal settlement conference to explain the criminal process and potential penalties to Laura.
4 (09:40) **Prosecutor Addresses Digital Evidence and Delays** - State prosecutor Ed Leiter explains that the vast majority of evidence is voluminous digital forensic data, requiring more time for Laura's new attorney to review.
5 (12:59) **Laura's Attorney Admits "Evidence of Perjury is Strong"** - In a surprising moment, Laura's attorney, Christian Luters, concedes on the record that the evidence of perjury against her is strong.
6 (13:38) **Victims Speak: Clayton and Greg Voice Frustration** - Victims Clayton Eckard and Greg Gillespie address the court, questioning the need for further delays and expressing exhaustion.
7 (21:51) **Clayton's New Look at Laura: Fear and Remorse?** - After the hearing, Clayton describes a new, unsettling look from Laura—one of fear and apology, rather than her previous defiance.

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Show Notes

Clayton Echard and Greg Gillespie attend the most recent hearings in Laura’s criminal case. After frustrating news about the plea deal, Clayton is determined to continue the fight for accountability. Plus, Ronn and Jan’s bankruptcy filing takes a surprising turn.

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