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Children's Rights Advocate EXPOSES the Dark Side of Gay Marriage & IVF (ft. Katy Faust) | Live Free with Josh Howerton

July 20, 2026

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Children's Rights Advocate EXPOSES the Dark Side of Gay Marriage & IVF (ft. Katy Faust) | Live Free with Josh Howerton

Katy Faust, founder of the children's rights organization Them Before Us, argues that the most important question in any debate about marriage, family, or reproductive technology is not what adults want, but what children need. "Children don't have a right to a mother and father," she says. "They have a right to their mother and father." This single principle, she contends, provides a clear framework for evaluating gay marriage, IVF, surrogacy, and adoption—and it consistently demands that adults sacrifice rather than children.

The Three Non-Negotiables of Child Protection

Faust builds her argument on what she calls the three non-negotiables of marriage that Jesus himself affirmed in Matthew 19: complementarity (male and female), monogamy (one flesh), and permanence (what God joins, let no man separate). These aren't just theological abstractions, she insists—they are empirically grounded child protection mechanisms.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 Main Outline
  • 2 (00:00) **Opening Statement & Thesis** - Katy Faust delivers the core thesis: children have a right to their mother and father, and adult desires do not constitute rights.
  • 3 (01:07) **Host Introduction & Episode Setup** - Hosts Carlos and Paul introduce the episode, discuss a recent trip to the Capitol, and set the stage for the interview with Katy Faust.
  • 4 (23:33) **Introducing Katy Faust & "Them Before Us"** - Katy Faust is introduced as the founder of "Them Before Us," an organization defending children's right to their mother and father.
  • 5 (34:00) **The Three Non-Negotiables of Marriage for Children** - Katy explains Jesus's definition of marriage (complementarity, monogamy, permanence) as a child-protection mechanism, not just a spiritual ideal.
  • 6 (42:14) **Responding to "Two People in Love"** - Katy counters the argument that gay marriage is simply about two loving adults by showing its direct impact on redefining parenthood and harming children.
  • 7 (47:33) **Defining a "Right" vs. a "Want"** - Katy clarifies the distinction between a fundamental natural right and a strong personal desire, arguing that adult "rights" often conflict with children's actual rights.

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Show Notes

Can Christians defend biblical truth without fear—and with compassion? In this powerful episode of LIVE FREE, Pastors Carlos Erazo, Paul Cunningham, and special guest Katy Faust tackle some of today's most difficult conversations surrounding marriage, same-sex parenting, IVF, surrogacy, and children's rights.

Rather than beginning with politics or personal preferences, they start with God's design for the family and ask a foundational question: What is truly best for children? Discover why Scripture calls believers to speak the truth in love, how a child-centered biblical worldview reshapes today's ethical debates, and how the Church can respond with both conviction and compassion in an increasingly complex culture.

Whether you're wrestling with these issues personally or simply want to better understand the biblical perspective, this conversation will equip you to engage with wisdom, grace, and confidence.

In this episode you'll learn:

  • Why fear should never keep Christians from speaking the truth
  • God's design for marriage and why it matters
  • A biblical perspective on children's rights
  • How to think about IVF, surrogacy, and reproductive technology
  • How to stand for truth while reflecting the love of Christ

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