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Scaling Duolingo, embracing failure, and insight into Latin America’s tech scene | Gina Gotthilf (Latitud, Duolingo)

October 19, 2023

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Gina Gotthilf, co-founder and COO of Latitud, shares principles from scaling Duolingo from 3 million to 200 million users organically, her work on the Bloomberg campaign, and building tech infrastructure for Latin American startups. She emphasizes mission-driven decisions, data rigor, and resilience amid frequent failures.

Resilience through A-sides and B-sides

Gotthilf frames careers as having A-sides (highlights like Duolingo growth and Bloomberg) and B-sides (layoffs, dropouts, failed launches). Early setbacks included multiple firings, unpaid months at Tumblr, and no initial job responses after college. Key lesson: careers are long; recognize B-moments as temporary and persist. She applied "fake it till you make it" by saying yes to growth roles without expertise, then learning via resources like Andrew Chen's blog.

Duolingo's growth engine

Duolingo succeeded as a rare consumer subscription app by staying lean with zero early ad spend, lacking LTV for CAC. Focus: mission obsession (free language access doubles income in developing markets), retention as value proxy, and product rigor via daily data analysis, AB tests (50%+ failures), and hypotheses. Avoid paid addiction; organic scales via product-led changes. Tradeoffs: delayed badges experiment due to ROI prioritization, fixed by dogfooding (team testing own features).

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What you'll learn

1 `* (00:00:02) **A-side/B-side life framework and LatAm conference intro**`
2 `* (00:09:34) **Gina's career B-sides: Early failures to Duolingo entry**`
3 `* (00:16:36) **Bloomberg campaign: Paid ads scale and landing page wins**`
4 `* (00:24:40) **Duolingo's B2C subscription success formula**`
5 `* (00:36:37) **Duolingo failures: Embracing experiments and dogfooding**`
6 `* (00:45:12) **Duolingo organic tactics: Brand, PR, unique voice**`
7 `* (00:59:22) **Duolingo internationalization: Global uniformity**`

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Show Notes

Gina Gotthilf is a co-founder and the COO of Latitud, a startup platform supporting the next generation of iconic tech startups in Latin America. Previously, Gina led growth and marketing at Duolingo, which she helped grow from 3 million to 200 million users. She was recently named one of the 500 most influential people in all of Latin America by Bloomberg. In today’s episode, we discuss:

• Behind the scenes of Duolingo’s early growth

• How to balance the “A and B sides” of life

• Stories from Mike Bloomberg’s presidential campaign

• Lessons from Duolingo’s international expansion

• Tactical tips for driving organic growth

• How to use PR, brand love, and community as growth levers

• Why Gina is passionate about investing in Latin America

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• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gina/

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