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Linear’s secret to building beloved B2B products | Nan Yu (Head of Product)

January 30, 2025

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Nan Yu, Head of Product at Linear, explains how the company builds fast-growing, beloved B2B software by rejecting common trade-offs like speed versus quality, prioritizing individual contributors over middle managers, and deeply probing user emotions to uncover non-obvious solutions.

Rapid iteration without sacrificing quality

Linear teams treat speed as a byproduct of competence, not sloppiness. Experts at the top of their craft—chefs, programmers, or chess players like Magnus Carlsen—produce high-quality output quickly through second nature and rapid trials. For features, they allocate a rough time budget and deliver a workable prototype testing key hypotheses within the first 10% of time, often after one week. This enables early internal validation, followed by beta users in expanding circles, avoiding sunk costs on unviable ideas. No perfectionism is expected in V1; the focus is learning fast to iterate or pivot.

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What you'll learn

1 `* (00:08) **No Trade-Off Between Speed and Quality**`
2 `* (00:16) **Avoiding Bloat: Prioritize ICs Over Managers**`
3 `* (00:24) **Feature Decisions: Ground in Specific Real Users**`
4 `* (00:31) **Customer Empathy: Dig to Emotional Pain Points**`
5 `* (00:45) **Creativity Process: Test Extreme Versions**`
6 `* (00:54) **B2B Products Teach Best Practices**`
7 `* (00:58) **PM Role: Double Triangle Collaboration**`

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Show Notes

Nan Yu is the head of product at Linear, one of the most beloved and fastest-growing B2B SaaS products out there today, and the gold standard for high-performing tech teams. In our conversation, we discuss:

• Why speed and quality aren’t actually at odds

• Linear’s unique approach to product development

• Nan’s systematic approach to creativity

• Linear’s philosophy on deadlines

• The “double triangle” framework for product management

• Nan’s approach to landing his dream product roles

• Much more

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Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/linears-secret-to-building-beloved-b2b-products-nan-yu

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Where to find Nan Yu:

• X: https://x.com/thenanyu

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thenanyu/

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Where to find Lenny:

• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to Nan Yu and Linear

(04:54) Survey insights: Linear vs. Jira

(07:51) The speed vs. quality myth

(09:24) Building and iterating quickly

(15:31) Avoiding bloat in enterprise software

(23:57) Understanding user needs deeply

(30:09) How to approach customer calls

(34:10) Creating strong emotional hooks

(40:31) Managing the product backlog

(44:46) Systemizing creativity

(48:16) Demo: Saving drafts in Linear

(51:38) Breaking constraints and building at extremes

(54:15) Adopting new tools

(58:22) The “double triangle” framework for product management

(01:04:23) Effective job-hunting strategies for PMs

(01:09:15) Thoughts on deadlines

(01:14:15) Lightning round

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Referenced:

• Jira: https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

• Li