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How to fire people with grace, work through fear, and nurture innovation | Matt Mochary (CEO coach)

November 10, 2022

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Matt Mochary, an executive coach to CEOs at companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, and Notion, shares practical methods drawn from his experience and testing. The conversation focuses on psychological barriers like fear and anger, humane firing processes, lean team dynamics, innovation tactics, and personal energy management.

Overcoming Fear and Anger

Fear grips the mind, leading to exaggerated predictions that block necessary actions, such as transparently sharing problems with a board—where the opposite (disclosure) builds trust. Anger masks underlying pain and destroys relationships; the response is to pause, using non-accusatory phrasing like "I perceive you to be in anger" to recognize it without defensiveness. Check predictions with someone not gripped by the emotion, as fear points opposite the right direction except in physical danger. Coaching bets on low-stakes opposites of fear-driven actions confirm this pattern repeatedly.

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What you'll learn

1 **[01:08] Episode intro and guest background**
2 **[08:11] Fear and anger block top founders**
3 **[19:34] Firing individuals humanely to raise talent density**
4 **[31:47] Making people feel heard (tactical levels)**
5 **[43:58] Mass layoffs playbook for quick recovery**
6 **[54:30] Innovating inside large companies**
7 **[61:46] Energy audit to enter zone of genius**

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Show Notes

Matt Mochary, CEO of Mochary Method, is a full-time executive coach who has worked with some of the biggest names in tech and finance, including investor Naval Ravikant and the CEOs of Notion, OpenAI, Coinbase, Reddit, and many others. In today’s podcast, we talk about the skill of firing people, why it’s so important, and Matt’s framework for approaching layoffs. We go deep on recognizing emotions like anger and fear, and what to pay attention to when you feel angry or fearful. He also shares how to build new products within a larger company, important tips on how to make sure everyone in the organization feels valued and heard, carving out time for your top goal, and how an energy audit can help you eliminate tasks that are draining your energy.

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Find the full transcript here: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-fire-people-with-grace-work

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Where to find Matt Mochary:

• Twitter: https://twitter.com/mattmochary

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-mochary-34bb4/

• Website: http://www.mochary.com/

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