Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

How to build a powerful marketing machine | Emily Kramer (Asana, Carta, MKT1)

September 11, 2022

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Emily Kramer, who built marketing teams from scratch at Asana, Carta, and other B2B startups, explains how founders can assess and construct effective marketing functions. Drawing from her experience as an early marketer at scaling companies, she offers frameworks for diagnosing needs, hiring, and collaborating with product teams, emphasizing business model differences like top-down sales versus product-led growth.

Fuel and Engine Framework

Marketing splits into fuel—value-adding creations like positioning, website copy, blog posts, templates, webinars, and tools—and engine—distribution via channels, email segmentation, SEO ops, social, paid ads, and marketing operations like HubSpot setup. Most initiatives involve both, but startups often imbalance them: building engine without fuel yields poor outbound results, while fuel without engine wastes content. Founders diagnose by checking top-performing assets—if positioning is unclear or distribution absent, prioritize accordingly. Fuel typically precedes engine, but top-down sales may start with SDR engine, needing fuel next; PLG often needs engine to capture inbound traffic.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 **[00:28]-[11:51] Fuel vs. Engine Framework**
  • 2 **[11:51]-[16:20] Heuristics to Identify Fuel/Engine Gaps**
  • 3 **[16:20]-[23:44] Product Marketer Archetype & Pie-Shaped Hire**
  • 4 **[23:58]-[28:52] Traits for First Marketer & Hiring Timing**
  • 5 **[28:52]-[36:22] Brand Marketing, PLG Roles & Marketing-Product Handoff**
  • 6 **[36:22]-[46:43] Product-Marketing Collaboration Tactics**
  • 7 **[48:19]-[54:25] Red Flags for Ineffective Marketing Teams**

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Show Notes

Emily Kramer led and built the marketing teams at Asana, Carta, Ticketfly, and Astro (acquired by Slack). These days, she’s the co-founder of MKT1, where she helps founders and marketers build and scale their marketing functions. Emily is also a well-respected angel investor and writes my favorite marketing newsletter (MKT1). In today’s episode, she shares her insights on when to hire marketers, how to determine which type of marketing hire is best for your team, how to best work with marketing, and what red flags to look for. Emily shares actionable templates and some incredible frameworks that are sure to expand your marketing knowledge.

Find the full transcript here: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-build-a-powerful-marketing

Where to find Emily Kramer:

• Twitter: https://twitter.com/emilykramer

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilykramer/

• MKT1 Newsletter: https://mkt1.substack.com/

Where to find Lenny:

• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

• Twitter: https://twitter.com/lennysan

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

Thank you to our wonderful sponsors for making this episode possible:

• Amplitude: https://amplitude.com/

• Lenny’s Job Board: https://www.lennysjobs.com/talent

• Athletic Greens: https://athleticgreens.com/lenny

Referenced:

• Building an efficient marketing machine: the fuel & the engine: https://mkt1.substack.com/p/fuel-engine

• The GACC Marketing Brief: https://mkt1.substack.com/p/the-gacc-marketing-brief-the-best

The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference: https://www.amazon.com/Tipping-Point-Little-Things-Difference/dp/0316346624

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