Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

How to be the best coach to product people | Petra Wille (Strong Product People)

November 27, 2022

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Petra Wille, a product leadership coach and author of Strong Product People, shares insights from coaching over 130 product leads and influencing thousands more through group sessions, her book, and events. Drawing from her experience with first-line managers—often non-product backgrounds—she outlines practical steps for coaching product managers (PMs), improving storytelling, and using communities, emphasizing small, consistent efforts over intensive overhauls.

Coaching product managers effectively

Wille identifies five ingredients for strong coaching: a clear "compass" defining a competent PM (e.g., her PMwheel with eight buckets like problem understanding, delivery, team dynamics, and personal growth); assessing a PM's current state and next growth challenge; aligning on a shared vision; co-creating a quarterly development plan focused on one skill (e.g., prioritization via Eisenhower matrix); and regular low-effort follow-ups like nudges or monthly check-ins. Start with the plan and follow-ups, as they build momentum even without a full compass—use existing frameworks like PM Daisy or Marty Cagan's assessment, customized to your context. This mirrors product roadmapping: current state as problem, vision as strategy, check-ins as standups. Personality traits like curiosity and empathy are hard to coach, so hire for them; skills respond better to targeted practice. Con

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What you'll learn

  • 1 `* (03:39) **Petra's Background and Coaching Impact**`
  • 2 `* (11:52) **Five Ingredients for Great PM Coaching**`
  • 3 `* (19:31) **Building a PM Competency Compass (PMwheel)**`
  • 4 `* (30:57) **Practical Coaching Tools and Check-Ins**`
  • 5 `* (36:18) **Mastering Storytelling for PMs**`
  • 6 `* (40:57) **Public Speaking and Career Impact**`
  • 7 `* (53:54) **Power of Product Communities**`

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Show Notes

Petra Wille is an independent product leadership coach who’s been helping product teams expand their skill sets since 2013. She’s also the author of Strong Product People, which she published in 2021. Alongside her freelance work, Petra curates and co-organizes Mind The Product Engage Hamburg. She started her career as a software developer and in 2008 went to work at Xing, a German social media site, where she learned from two incredible product leaders: Marty Cagan and Jason Goldberg. In today’s podcast, we talk about Petra’s book, and how to help your team grow as a product leader. Petra also shares how to improve your storytelling skills, get better at public speaking, and why community is so important for product managers.

Find the full transcript here: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-be-the-best-coach-to-product

Where to find Petra Wille:

• Twitter: https://twitter.com/loomista

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petra-wille-b8b1329/?originalSubdomain=de

• Website: https://www.petra-wille.com/

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• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

• Twitter: https://twitter.com/lennysan

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

Thank you to our wonderful sponsors for making this episode possible:

• Flatfile: https://www.flatfile.com/lenny

• Mixpanel: https://mixpanel.com/startups

• AssemblyAI: https://www.assemblyai.com/?utm_source=lennyspodcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=nov27

Referenced:

• PMwheel framework: https://www.strongproductpeople.com/pmwheel

• Marty Cagan’s assessment: https://www.svpg.com/coaching-tools-the-assessment/

• PM Daisy: https://pmdaisy.com/

• The Eisenhower matrix for prioritization: https://www.pr

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