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Founder-led sales | Pete Kazanjy (Founding Sales, Atrium)

December 15, 2022

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Pete Kazanjy, author of Founding Sales and founder of Atrium, shares principles for founder-led sales in B2B startups, drawing from his experience learning sales at TalentBin (acquired by Monster) and building sales operations at Modern Sales Pros and Atrium. He emphasizes sales as a learnable, measurable skill rather than innate talent, essential for early validation and scaling.

Modern Sales Fundamentals

Kazanjy defines modern sales as analytical and data-driven, like product analytics tools such as Mixpanel or Amplitude applied to seller behaviors tracked via CRMs, email, calls, and calendars. Sellers act as agents matching supply to demand, often surfacing unrecognized needs through discovery questions. This contrasts with outdated "sleazy" stereotypes, focusing instead on consultative matching of solutions to high-fit customers.

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What you'll learn

1 *(04:00) **Intro and Guest Background***
2 *(07:20) **Modern Sales vs. Traditional Sales***
3 *(09:17) **Founder-Led Sales: Why and Core Principles***
4 *(15:00) **When to Hire First Salesperson and Scale***
5 *(21:00) **Sales Leading Indicators and Iteration***
6 *(28:28) **Tips to Get Better at Sales***
7 *(39:15) **Hiring and Ramping Sales Reps***

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Show Notes

Pete Kazanjy is the author of Founding Sales: The Early Stage Go-to-Market Handbook and the founder of Modern Sales Pros, an invite-only peer learning community focused on sales operations and sales leadership. He’s also the co-founder of Atrium, a B2B SaaS company that provides data-driven sales solutions. Pete got his start in product at VMware and then dove deep into the art and science of sales. In today’s episode, we talk about the importance of founder-led sales and how to methodically scale a sales department. He explains the difference between old-school sales and modern sales, which focuses on human connection and solving problems for customers. He also shares actionable tips to improve your sales technique and explains how to use data to monitor your success at different milestones in the sales process.

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Where to find Pete:

• Twitter: https://twitter.com/Kazanjy

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kazanjy/

• Website: https://kazanjy.svbtle.com/