Jocko Underground: My View on Non-Combatant Military Members | How to Get Your Life Back

October 5, 2026

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Jocko Podcast 231 opens with a question from a listener whose church background is opposed to killing, but who supports the military’s role in a fallen world. During the Korean and Vietnam Wars, members of his congregation served as non-combatants under a 1-A-O (conscientious objector) classification, often as medics. He asks whether combatants view such service as honorable.

Jocko’s answer is immediate and unambiguous: “I salute everyone who serves their country… I definitely salute those who put their lives at risk for our nation and put their lives at risk for their brothers in arms and sisters in arms.” He points to Gary Maibach, a conscientious objector with the 9th Infantry Division in the Mekong Delta who repeatedly risked his life to render aid. Jocko says he doesn’t think of Maibach by his classification — “I just think of a hero.”

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What you'll learn

1 (00:02) **Episode Opening** - Jocko introduces the podcast's purpose: providing guidance and courses of action for listener challenges.
2 (00:29) **Non-Combatant Military Service** - A listener from a pacifist church background asks how combatants view non-combatant service members.
3 (01:27) **Jocko's View on Non-Combatant Service** - Jocko gives his perspective on the honor of non-combatant military service.
4 (02:40) **Famous Conscientious Objectors** - Jocko highlights Medal of Honor recipients who were conscientious objectors.
5 (03:57) **Categories of Non-Combatants** - Echo asks for clarification on the different types of non-combatant status.
6 (05:24) **Navigating a Child Being Bullied** - A father asks how to help his three-year-old son who is being made fun of for being different.
7 (05:53) **Jocko's Advice on Bullying** - Jocko provides perspective on how to handle children being teased.

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Guests on this episode

Jocko Willink Echo Charles

Show Notes

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00:01:06 — Do combat veterans view conscientious objectors/noncombatant medics as honorable?

00:05:34 — My 3-year-old may have autism and kids are starting to make fun of him. How do I help him—and myself—handle it?

00:24:30 — I got sober and used harsh self-criticism to stay disciplined. How do I shift toward self-compassion without losing discipline?

00:33:03 — After several devastating life events, I’ve fallen into drinking, weed, and avoiding my goals. How do I get my head right and attack life again?

00:40:00 — I’m a high-school strength coach burned out by an unsupportive administration. How do I stay committed to the kids while deciding whether to fight or build an exit plan?

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