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532: Economic Warfare. The Power of Business In America. Sam Rogers, Joe Cruz, Steve Simar.

March 18, 2026

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Symmetry Sauna founders Sam Rogers, Joe Cruz, and Steve Simar describe bootstrapping their custom sauna business in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, amid a U.S. sauna market resurgence. Starting from varied backgrounds—painting, sales, photography—they combined sales vision, design skills, and execution to build from a local studio into nationwide manufacturing and installs.

Startup and early pivots
They launched with zero market research, draining savings into a 1,400 sq ft membership studio as a custom sauna showroom. Calls from a basic landing page quickly revealed national demand, prompting a rebrand to Symmetry Sauna and prefab production in Idaho. Early revenue funded growth; church friends volunteered for six months, evolving into key roles like procurement (Shelly) and ops systems (Josh), enabling scale without outside capital.

Core operating principles
They prioritize demand signals over fantasies: if 30 saunas sell monthly, produce 30 and work 24/7 to deliver. "Nepotism" hires friends and family first, building a team of fit, health-convinced specialists who solve 50-year industry problems like ugly designs and poor installs. Unified ownership means no blame—partners share wins and losses, using a 2-1 vote rule to cut a smooth-talking partner after red flags emerged.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 **[00:04] Episode Intro: Economic Power of Small Business & Symmetry Sauna**
  • 2 **[04:00] Founders' Diverse Backgrounds**
  • 3 **[23:00] Origins: From Sauna Studio to Custom Builds**
  • 4 **[32:00] Product Philosophy: Beauty, Innovation & Health Focus**
  • 5 **[41:00] Rapid Growth & Execution Challenges**
  • 6 **[55:00] Culture: Nepotism, Volunteers & Systems**
  • 7 **[68:00] Key Lessons: Ownership, Partners & Scaling**

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Three men, Sam, Joe, and Steve, from different backgrounds come together to build a company from scratch—through risk, setbacks, and relentless execution. This episode breaks down what it really takes to start and grow a business, the power of small business in America, and the mindset required to win.



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