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5 min read“I would shoot bee bees until I hit something. And then when I hit it, I'd kick up to a 22 caliber.” That is how OtterBox founder Curt Richardson describes his approach to marketing experimentation on this episode of the Advice Line. It is a philosophy forged from three decades of building a business that went from five employees to $575 million in revenue in five years, only to later see revenue shrink as the phone case market commoditized. Richardson joined Guy Raz to field calls from three founders, and his advice revealed a consistent operating system: focus on the business model as much as the product, treat the founder as the product when scaling a service, and fire small bullets before committing to big ones.
The Product Is You, and That Is Hard to Scale
The first caller, Andy from Mr. Game Show Florida, runs a side hustle hosting live game show events in retirement communities. He grossed $50,000 last year with no advertising, entirely through word of mouth. His question was about scaling nationwide by licensing his content to other hosts.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (03:10) **Curt Richardson Returns** - OtterBox founder joins Guy Raz to reflect on the company's evolution since 2019 and to take calls from entrepreneurs
- 2 (08:32) **Call 1: Mr. Game Show Florida** - Andy Jeremiah runs live game show events for Florida retirement communities as a side hustle doing 10 events per month and $50K annually
- 3 (14:05) **Andy's Corporate Training Background** - Andy reveals he was a corporate trainer, which gives him the skills to build scripts, playbooks, and systems for potential franchisees
- 4 (21:00) **Call 2: Gilded Coach Teas** - Marissa founded a fairy tale-inspired loose leaf tea company in 2020, now in two local stores but struggling to regain momentum after a one-year maternity break
- 5 (26:35) **Regaining Momentum Without Pressure** - Guy advises Marissa to give herself grace about the break and focus on consistent weekly actions rather than feeling overwhelmed
- 6 (34:19) **Call 3: Averloop Baby Gear** - Vince runs a sustainable baby gear company where products are made from recycled materials and bought back from customers for 20% cash back to be recycled into new products
- 7 (38:04) **Curt's "Shoot Bee Bees" Marketing Philosophy** - Curt advises firing many small experiments until something hits, then scaling up investment in that channel
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Show Notes
Today’s callers: Andy from Sarasota weighs whether the path to scalability for his live game show business is through personality or product. Then, Marissa from Tampa wants to recapture sales for her fairy tale-inspired teas after taking a hiatus to focus on her family. And Vince from New Jersey wonders how to allocate marketing dollars for his sustainable baby gear company..
Plus, Curt reflects on the importance of focus in sustaining OtterBox as a leading tech accessories brand over 30 years.
Thank you to the founders of Mr GameShow, Gilded Coach Teas, and Evrloop for being a part of our show.
If you’d like to be featured on a future Advice Line episode—where Guy and former show guests take questions from early-stage founders—leave us a one-minute message that tells us about your business and a specific question you’d like answered. Send a voice memo to [email protected] or call 1-800-433-1298.
And be sure to listen to OtterBox's founding story as told by Curt on the show in 2019.
This episode was produced by Carla Esteves with music by Ramtin Arablouei. It was edited by John Isabella. Our audio engineer was Robert Rodriguez.
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