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You 2.0: Stop Spiraling!

December 29, 2025

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5 min read

🎙️ The Voices & The Context

  • The Format: This is a classic interview-style podcast episode. Host Shankar Vedantam guides a deep, narrative-driven conversation with a guest expert, weaving in personal stories and listener questions.
  • The Key Players:
    • Host: Shankar Vedantam, the thoughtful and empathetic narrator of Hidden Brain.
    • Guest: Greg Walton, a psychologist at Stanford University and author of Ordinary Magic. He is the star of the first half, offering a fascinating look at the psychology of failure and success.
    • Guest: Abigail Marsh, a psychologist and neuroscientist at Georgetown University, joins for the second half to discuss extreme altruism.
  • The Vibe: Educational, Inspiring, and Deeply Human. The tone shifts from analyzing the mechanics of failure to celebrating the power of kindness, but it remains consistently engaging and thought-provoking.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Greg Walton**
  • 2 (04:42) **The Downward Spiral & Self-Fulfilling Prophecies**
  • 3 (10:17) **The White Bear Experiment & Mental Suppression**
  • 4 (15:48) **Relationship Spirals & Belonging Uncertainty**
  • 5 (22:21) **Tiny Facts with Big Theories (TIFTs)**
  • 6 (28:02) **Mental Calcification & The Power of Reframing**
  • 7 (45:42) **Surfacing Emotions & The Power of Personal Narrative**

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Show Notes

The start of a new year is a natural moment to set goals for ourselves. But doing so can also be a little daunting. Today, we kick off a series designed to help you understand and grapple with the mental obstacles that can keep you from charting a new path. We talk with psychologist Greg Walton, who studies how our minds get trapped in negative thought spirals — and how we can begin to break free. Then, in the latest installment of our segment "Your Questions Answered," psychologist and neuroscientist Abigail Marsh answers listener questions about the minds of extremely kind and generous people.

If you enjoyed our conversation with Greg Walton, don't miss our companion conversation about the emotional tools we can use to help someone who's spiraling. You can listen to that episode with a free seven-day trial to our podcast subscription, Hidden Brain+. To sign up, go to support.hiddenbrain.org. Or if you're using an Apple device, you can go to apple.co/hiddenbrain. Thanks, and Happy New Year!

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