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Why Great Turnarounds Start with Culture, Not Strategy

August 4, 2026

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When Hans Vestberg stepped down as CEO of Verizon in late 2024, the company was in a familiar rut for a legacy telecom giant: losing market share for five years, churn rising, customer satisfaction falling, and its P/E multiple the lowest in the industry. The board turned to its lead director, Dan Schulman, who had already led a successful turnaround at PayPal. Schulman initially said no—he was happily retired on a ranch in Montana. But he felt a "keen sense of loyalty" to the company and agreed to take the job. Nine months in, his approach offers a case study in how an outsider can lead a turnaround by starting with culture, not strategy.

The Diagnosis: Playing Not to Lose

Schulman’s first move was to tell the truth without sugarcoating it. At his first all-employee meeting—no slides, no notes, just a cup of coffee—he said plainly: "We are losing. And that just does not work for me." He described a company that had become willing to be prey, gently ceding market share to competitors. "We weren't playing to win," he says. The root cause was cultural. Verizon had long relied on its engineering prowess and put the network at the center of everything, rather than the customer. That proud history made the company resistant to change. Schulman offers a crisp diagnostic: "When the pace of change external to a company is faster than the change of pace internal, you're falling be

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (01:50) **Why an Outsider CEO Took the Job** - Schulman explains his reluctant decision to lead Verizon’s turnaround after a happy retirement.
  • 2 (02:35) **Diagnosing the Core Problems** - A blunt assessment of the company's decline: losing market share, low morale, and a risk-averse culture.
  • 3 (04:57) **Defining "Customer Obsession" at a Utility** - How Verizon redefines customer focus with a simple, human-centric initiative.
  • 4 (07:48) **The Financial Logic of Customer-First Strategy** - Why investing in the customer doesn't mean sacrificing fiscal responsibility.
  • 5 (09:36) **The Three-Step Leadership Playbook for Change** - The specific actions a leader must take to overcome resistance and inspire a turnaround.
  • 6 (11:28) **Fostering a Culture of "Playing to Win"** - How Schulman shifts the culture from risk-averse to one that embraces calculated risk and learning.
  • 7 (14:55) **The Power of Early Wins and High Intensity** - How initial results create momentum and attract the right talent.

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Show Notes

In an era of constant disruption, successful turnarounds require more than a new strategy—they demand a new culture. Dan Schulman, former CEO of PayPal, came out of retirement to tackle the challenge of taking over the helm of Verizon as it entered the AI age. He explains how they needed to put customers—not engineering—at the center of the business, how he reshaped company culture, and what it really took to prepare employees for an AI-native future. He explains why leaders need to embrace change, invest in reskilling, and balance optimism about AI with honesty about the disruption it will bring.

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