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Why Cooking is Caregiving, with Chef Hillary Sterling | Better in Person

July 22, 2026

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“I feel like I’m a caregiver,” Hillary Sterling says, explaining why she has spent her life cooking. Sterling is the executive chef at Ci Siamo, a loud, wood-fired Italian restaurant in New York City. In this conversation with Steven Dubner, she walks through a career that started washing dishes and peeling onions in a basement and led to a Michelin-starred kitchen—and then to turning down a dream job at Union Square Cafe because she knew it wouldn’t let her be herself. The episode is built around a central idea: cooking, at its best, is not about following recipes or using thermometers. It is about using your senses to connect with the food, and then using that food to take care of other people.

Learning to Cook with Your Senses

Sterling’s most vivid lesson in cooking came not from culinary school (she never went) but from a brutal night on the sauté station at Bobby Flay’s Mesa Grill. Her first night on the job, she overcooked more than a hundred pork tenderloins. Her chef gave her a second chance, but also a strange instruction: “You have seven days to be one with the pork.” Sterling took it literally. She spent the week staring at pork tenderloins, cooking them, watching them, timing them. “There’s a moment where they glisten,” she says. “That meant it was ready.” She learned to read the meat without a thermometer—by sight, sound, and touch.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:40) **Introduction & First Impressions** - Steven Dubner introduces Hillary Sterling, executive chef at Ci Siamo, and the episode's premise.
  • 2 (03:07) **Pasta Showdown: Fresh vs. Dried** - Sterling demonstrates making cacio e pepe two ways, using sound and texture to judge doneness.
  • 3 (04:58) **The Soup Problem** - Dubner attempts to return the favor by cooking a fish stew for Sterling, only to discover she hates soup.
  • 4 (08:58) **Early Life & Path to Cooking** - Sterling discusses her Brooklyn upbringing and her grandmother's influence.
  • 5 (13:05) **The Artistic Chef** - Dubner observes that Sterling thinks like a creative artist, not just a technician.
  • 6 (15:03) **Kitchen Culture & Overcoming Failure** - Sterling reflects on the old "torture" culture in restaurants and how she survived it.
  • 7 (19:44) **The Glisten Moment** - Sterling describes the breakthrough of learning to cook by sight and feel rather than a thermometer.

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Show Notes

Hillary Sterling was a Brooklyn kid raised on cream cheese sandwiches and canned potatoes. So how did she become one of New York City's best chefs? The Ci Siamo executive chef explains on the second episode of Better in Person.


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