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5 min readMolly Baz on cooking, creativity, and the loneliness of leaving a golden era
Molly Baz learned to cook from a 75-year-old widow named Graziella in Florence, where she was studying art history. Graziella's pasta pomodoro used cherry tomatoes, skins on, and roughly 50% olive oil. "I had only ever had just like, you know, classic marinara sauce," Baz recalls. "It was just so luscious and creamy." That recipe appears in Baz's first cookbook, Cook This Book, as "Graziella's pasta pomodoro." But the experience also shaped something deeper: a skepticism toward the idea that great cooking depends on perfect ingredients. "I'm sort of sick and tired, frankly, of hearing people be like, 'Oh, the best food is simple food. All you need is a tomato and some salt,'" she says. "It's really elitist." Her forthcoming cookbook, Less Is More, is built around the premise that you can make delicious food without farm-fresh produce or imported stracciatella.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:04) **Host Intro & Milk Manifesto** - Jalee opens with a passionate defense of adults drinking milk and shares his strong opinions on New York City outdoor dining.
- 2 (04:11) **In Memoriam & Food Movie Pitches** - Jalee remembers artist-restaurateur Lucian Smith and pitches a movie about the Bon Appétit Test Kitchen in 2020.
- 3 (07:14) **Introducing Molly Baz** - Jalee welcomes chef, author, and mayo entrepreneur Molly Baz, setting up the conversation around her career and new projects.
- 4 (08:46) **Italian Awakening & Graziella's Pasta** - Molly traces her cooking origins to a study abroad in Florence and a host mother who changed her relationship with food.
- 5 (11:32) **The Elitism of "Simple Food"** - Molly explains the core philosophy of her upcoming cookbook, which pushes back against the idea that great food only requires perfect ingredients.
- 6 (13:09) **The Rolling Rock & Milk Challenge** - Molly and Jalee recreate her childhood beverage of milk mixed with Rolling Rock beer, followed by her controversial cereal hack.
- 7 (21:07) **Missing the Bon Appétit Test Kitchen** - Molly reflects on the camaraderie of the Bon Appétit era and the loneliness of going independent.
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Show Notes
Molly Baz is a ray of light. Molly Baz is building an empire. Molly Baz can not be stopped. She has two bestselling cookbooks, a wine label, an insanely popular newsletter, a video series, her very own mayo line, and she has a third cookbook, “Less Is More” slated to come out early next year. She just announced a new line of ice cream sandwiches. There’s a bit of Baz for everyone. Molly joins me today to teach me how to not cook like a coward. We talk about bad weed experiences, and mixing beer with milk. We talk babies and condiments. Molly Baz contains multitudes. We dug deep.
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