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Carla Lalli on life after divorce, online dating and pepper jack cheese

September 17, 2026

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"I'm Competing With the Pure Joy of Being Home Alone"

Carla Lalli spent over two decades married, built a career as a Bon Appétit test kitchen star, wrote cookbooks, and raised a family. Then her marriage ended. The first year of being single, she says, was thrilling—not because of new freedom in the romantic sense, but because she finally had time alone. "When you're part of a family, you don't get a lot of time alone," she tells host Jay Gauntlett on Expense Account. "I really love being alone." That honest admission sets the tone for a conversation about divorce, dating, and the psychology of feeding yourself through emotional upheaval.

The Book That Wasn't Planned

Lalli's new book, Food Is a Feeling, emerged not from a publisher's brief but from lived experience. Five months into her separation, she found herself eating "olive oil fried bread and personal pots of beans" and realized she wanted to write about it. The result is half memoir, half cookbook—a format she felt was overdue in a food media landscape that typically markets recipes as problem-solvers for celebratory occasions. "It presumes that every time we cook it's like yay," she says. "Whereas for me and I think so many people, we eat even when you're sad, out of sorts, annoyed. Good day, bad day. We eat through all of that time."

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (06:30) **Carla's New Book: "Food is a Feeling"** - Carla introduces her third book, a half-memoir, half-cookbook about her divorce and reconnecting with food.
  • 2 (10:14) **Rejecting "Guilty Pleasures"** - Carla argues the phrase "guilty pleasure" is a toxic product of diet culture that should be discarded.
  • 3 (14:09) **Carla's Shake Shack Origins** - Carla recounts her time as the first general manager of the original Shake Shack in Madison Square Park.
  • 4 (18:45) **Navigating Single Life and Dating Apps** - Carla shares her experience of being single after a 24-year marriage, including her approach to dating apps.
  • 5 (23:44) **On Changing Her Name Post-Divorce** - Carla discusses the complicated decision to revert to her maiden name, "Lalli," professionally.
  • 6 (29:49) **The Future of Food Media in the Age of AI** - Carla reflects on how AI and digital manipulation are reshaping the value of cookbooks and food content.
  • 7 (33:31) **Rage Fridge Deep Dive** - Carla and the host dissect a photo of Carla's fridge, revealing her shopping habits and cooking philosophy.

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Show Notes

Our first guest is carla lalli. FKA Carla Lalli Music. She’s lived many lives. From the first GM at the first Shake Shack, to a beloved chef in the Bon Appétit test kitchen. She’s been a YouTube star, recipe developer, Substacker, and James Beard Award winner. She is a legend. She recently published her new book, Food Is A Feeling. Half cookbook, half memoir, the book tells the story of her divorce, and the healing power of food. We talked about online dating, how she could have been rich, pepper jack cheese, the pesto pasta problem, and why you should never feel guilt about pleasure. Talking to Carla was a pleasure, and I feel no guilt about it.



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