Endless Thread
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Ukraine's expanding drone web

December 12, 2025

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5 min read

🎙️ The Voices & The Context

  • The Format: This episode features a reflective and deeply engaging narrative story, focusing on the intersection of technology and war, particularly through the lens of a Ukrainian soldier's experiences.
  • The Key Players:
    • Ben Brock Johnson and Amory Sievertson: Hosts of the podcast "Endless Thread," known for their insightful storytelling and compelling interviews. Their chemistry enhances the emotional depth as they navigate complex themes of war and technology.
    • Olexey Zelensky: A Ukrainian soldier whose firsthand experiences with drone warfare and the conflict in Ukraine provide a poignant perspective on the realities of modern warfare.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Alexei Zelensky**
  • 2 (01:03) **The Photo from Ukraine**
  • 3 (02:21) **Understanding the War in Ukraine**
  • 4 (03:28) **Fiber Optic Cables in Warfare**
  • 5 (04:10) **Drone Warfare in Ukraine**
  • 6 (06:08) **Interview with Alexei Zelensky**
  • 7 (08:00) **Motivation to Fight**

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Show Notes

There's a lot of drone warfare footage on the internet from Ukraine and Russia. But over the last year, a surprising change has emerged, via photos from the battlefront posted online. It has become clear that a huge part of the drone war, from dropping grenades on soldiers in bunkers, to dropping explosives on infrastructure or airfields, is wired. Those wires are fiber optic cable, stretching from drone operators to the drones, which spool out cable across the ground and over trees along the battlefront. These drones are often single-use rarely returning from the mission they set out on. And the spools of fiber optic cable, stretching over 30-50 kilometers, don't get cleaned up. We explore this evolution of drone use in the conflict - where it came from, and why.

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