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Digging Up Lily's Garden

March 13, 2026

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🎙️ The Voices & The Context

  • The Format: This is a deep-dive narrative podcast episode from WBUR's Endless Thread, investigating a bizarre internet phenomenon. It's structured like a detective story, with hosts interviewing key players to solve a mystery.
  • The Key Players:
    • Ben Brock Johnson & Amory Sievertson: The hosts. They have great chemistry, playing off each other's curiosity and confusion. Ben is the enthusiastic investigator, Amory the grounded, slightly bewildered co-pilot.
    • Cindy Charles: A former colleague and college student who first flagged the weird ads. She represents the confused consumer.
    • Stella Sacco: The game's original writer and narrative designer. She's passionate, creative, and deeply protective of her character, Lily.
    • Gonzalo Fascinella: The former Chief Marketing Officer. He's pragmatic, proud of the ad campaign's success, and unapologetic about its shock value.
    • Meryl Verhoeven: A PhD student in neuroscience and an avid player. She's the perfect case study of the ad strategy working, despite knowing the game is designed to be addictive.
  • The Vibe: Fun, Educational, and Slightly Unsettling. It’s a wild ride through the intersection of creative writing, cynical marketing, and human psychology. It’s funny, but it also makes you think about the ads you ignore.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Cindy Charles**
  • 2 (01:42) **Describing the Lily's Garden Ads**
  • 3 (05:49) **Gameplay vs. Ads Mismatch**
  • 4 (07:30) **Interview: Stella Sacco, Narrative Writer**
  • 5 (13:40) **Lily's Garden Story Details**
  • 6 (17:26) **Stella's Reaction to the Ads**
  • 7 (21:48) **Interview: Gonzalo Fascinella, Chief Marketing Officer**

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Show Notes

A woman sitting blissfully on a vibrating laundromat dryer. A faked pregnancy test to dump a bad boyfriend. In 2019, the internet was abuzz about bizarre ads for a mobile game called Lily's Garden. The ads were only about 15 seconds each, but they evoked a whole universe of drama amongst a cast of zany characters that inspired countless YouTube videos and copious internet chatter.

The thing is... the story in the ads had almost nothing to do with the story in the game. In this episode of Endless Thread: creative differences, the wilderness of mobile games, and where the Lily's Garden game-world and the ad-world diverged.

Show notes:

This episode was produced and written by Grace Tatter, co-hosted by Ben Brock Johnson and Amory Sivertson, and edited by Meg Cramer. Mix and sound design by Paul Vaitkus. Special thanks to our 2025 Bloomberg Arts Intern Cendy Charles. 

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