393. Road To 9/11: Interviewing Bin Laden In The Caves of Tora Bora (Part 5)
September 6, 2026
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5 min readThe First Televised Interview with Osama bin Laden
In March 1997, a three-man TV crew was driven up a freezing mountain road in eastern Afghanistan. Past midnight, the door of a mud hut opened and in walked a tall, softly spoken man carrying an AK-47 and wearing a camouflage jacket. His name was Osama bin Laden, and he was about to deliver his first televised declaration of war against the United States. The producer who made that interview happen—Peter Bergen, now CNN's national security analyst and author of The Rise and Fall of Osama bin Laden—joined the Empire podcast to tell the story from inside that hut.
Bin Laden's Afghan Sanctuary and the Road to Tora Bora
When bin Laden landed in Jalalabad in May 1996, he was broke, stateless, and widely considered washed up. Many in the State Department thought he was finished. But bin Laden saw his exile from Sudan to Afghanistan differently—he believed he was replicating the Prophet Muhammad's journey from Mecca to Medina, a man who fought 27 wars and conflicts. "Afghanistan for bin Laden was sort of the Medina of the 20th century," Bergen explained.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:55) **Setting the Scene: Bin Laden’s Exile to Afghanistan** - Peter Bergen explains why Bin Laden saw his move from Sudan to Afghanistan as a modern-day Medina, mirroring the Prophet Muhammad’s exile.
- 2 (06:41) **How Peter Bergen Got the Interview** - Bergen recounts his journey from covering the 1993 World Trade Center bombing to securing the first televised interview with Osama bin Laden.
- 3 (10:48) **Bin Laden’s Life in Tora Bora and the Interview Setup** - Bergen describes Bin Laden’s austere survivalist lifestyle and the elaborate security measures for the interview.
- 4 (14:56) **The First Televised Declaration of War** - Bergen details the moment Bin Laden walked in, his demeanor, and the threats he made during the hour-long interview.
- 5 (17:00) **Reading Bin Laden and the Missed Second Interview** - Bergen reflects on his lack of fear during the interview and his decision to turn down a second invitation in 1998.
- 6 (19:31) **Bin Laden’s Media Strategy and the Fatwa** - Bergen explains how Bin Laden used CNN as a weapon and the religious justification behind his 1998 fatwa.
- 7 (21:52) **The Blind Sheikh’s Role and the Embassy Bombings** - Bergen reveals how a jailed cleric provided the religious imprimatur for Bin Laden’s war, leading to the synchronized embassy bombings.
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Show Notes
What was it like to interview Osama bin Laden in the Tora Bora caves? Who were the other terrorists behind the infamous 1998 fatwa? How did Monica Lewinsky derail the response to the East Africa embassy bombings?
In Episode 5 of this series, Williams and Anita are joined by CNN’s national security analyst Peter Bergen, the producer of bin Laden’s first television interview, to discuss the terrorist leader’s declaration of war.
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