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5 min readIn the mid-1980s, Peshawar, a Pakistani city on the Afghan frontier, was a cauldron of war, refugees, and opportunism. Journalist Jason Burke, who arrived there as a young reporter, describes driving past opium kingpins' compounds and dining in a desert fortress where anti-aircraft missiles decorated the turrets and guests fired AK-47s into the air after dinner. It was the backdrop for a conflict that would, years later, give rise to Al Qaeda. But the story of how that happened is not the simple morality tale often told.
The Afghan War as a Meeting Ground
The Soviet-Afghan War, which began in 1979, drew together an improbable coalition. For the United States, it was a Cold War proxy fight. For the Afghan mujahideen and the Arab volunteers who came to fight alongside them, it was a religious struggle against a secular, atheist regime. The Saudi government played a crucial role, matching every dollar the Americans provided for the jihad and acting as a conduit for money, ideas, and people from across the Muslim world—from Morocco to the Philippines.
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What you'll learn
- 1 Main Outline
- 2 (00:00) **Episode Introduction** - The episode frames the story of how a regional Cold War conflict birthed the world's most dangerous terrorist network, tracing the founding of Al Qaeda and the rise of Osama bin Laden.
- 3 (02:08) **Peshawar in the 1980s: A Lawless Frontier City** - Jason Burke describes the chaotic atmosphere of Peshawar during the Soviet-Afghan War, a city swelling with refugees and teeming with smugglers, spies, and holy warriors.
- 4 (04:52) **The Shift in Atmosphere: From Welcome to Hostility** - Early in the war, Western journalists were welcomed as allies by the Mujahideen, but this changed as Arab fighters arrived who were openly hostile to Westerners.
- 5 (06:02) **Two Parallel Wars: Cold War vs. Holy War** - The same conflict was viewed through completely different lenses: Americans saw it as Cold War containment, while the Mujahideen and Arab Afghans saw it as a religious war against secular heresy.
- 6 (07:42) **Debunking the CIA-Bin Laden Myth** - Burke directly refutes the common myth that the CIA directly funded or trained Osama bin Laden and the Arab Afghans.
- 7 (09:00) **Bin Laden's Obscurity and the Saudi Establishment** - Despite later fame, bin Laden was a completely obscure figure throughout the eight-year war against the Soviets, known only within Saudi circles as the son of a wealthy builder.
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Show Notes
Did the CIA actually fund Osama bin Laden during the Soviet-Afghan war?
Who was Abdullah Azzam, the radical scholar who turned jihad into a global franchise? How did a bureaucratic office meeting create Al-Qaeda?
In Episode 2 of this new series, William Dalrymple is joined by Jason Burke, author of Al-Qaeda: The True Story of Radical Islam and The Revolutionists, to discuss the founding of al-Qaeda.
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