Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson
Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson

🟠HUBSPOT'S CMO Kipp Bodnar🟠on AI and Showing UP! | Ep. 529

June 25, 2026

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AI Has Broken the Old Marketing Playbook — But Not Content Itself

HubSpot CMO Kipp Bodnar has a blunt diagnosis for the state of marketing: "AI has broken the old marketing playbook." The last 15 to 20 years were an unusual era defined by channel abundance — social media, digital ads, inbound marketing — that let marketers optimize their way into success with spreadsheets and search traffic. That era is over. Content itself is more important than ever, but its shelf life has collapsed. Bodnar points out that hit movies used to run in theaters for months; now it's weeks. Topics that trended for days now trend for hours. AI has flooded the ecosystem with undifferentiated slop, and the primary content discovery vehicle — Google search — has fundamentally changed. The ten blue links aren't coming back. Traffic from Google is declining, and marketers who built their entire strategy around search optimization are feeling it most.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **Intro & Guest Welcome** - Jay introduces Kipp Bodnar, CMO of HubSpot, and his podcast "Marketing Against the Grain"
  • 2 (01:35) **Has AI Killed Traditional Content Marketing?** - Kipp argues AI has broken the old marketing playbook, not killed content
  • 3 (03:48) **Should You Scrap Your 12-Month Content Calendar?** - Kipp says you need to be "T Swift" — prolific and high-quality
  • 4 (05:33) **Answer Engine Optimization (AEO): How to Win in AI Search** - Shift from SEO to AEO by making content human-first
  • 5 (09:58) **AI Exposes Playbook Followers** - Originality and humanity are coming back
  • 6 (10:26) **What Content Engine Should You Start With?** - Video show for all-in; newsletter/blog for tiptoeing
  • 7 (12:48) **Why Write a Book in the AI Era?** - Kipp's book "Loop Out, Learn Out, Market Out, Grow Out"

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Jay Schwedelson wanted Kipp Bodnar on the show since day one, and it's easy to hear why once the two of them get going on the one thing keeping marketers up at night: whether AI has quietly torched the playbook everyone spent fifteen years building. HubSpot's CMO makes the case that content isn't dead, it just has a brutally short shelf life now, and the

Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson