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Stanford’s Life Design Expert: Why Your Dream Job Might Make You Miserable | Dave Evans

September 7, 2026

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“My three-year-old son doesn't have a father. I was fatherless because my dad killed himself. Robbie’s fatherless because I’m just gone, and even when I’m here, I’m asleep. Well, asleep looks a lot like dead.” That moment—overhearing his son ask his wife if they could play with Dad today “or he’s just gonna fall asleep in the chair again”—is what finally forced Dave Evans, the co-creator of Stanford’s Life Design Lab, to confront the gap between the life he thought he was building and the life he was actually living. Evans helped design Apple’s first mouse and co-founded Electronic Arts, but none of that success protected him from the slow drift into an 80-hour workweek that left him absent from his own family. His response was not to quit everything overnight, but to spend six years experimenting his way toward a different kind of life—one built on the same design principles he now teaches to students, executives, and retirees at Stanford.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (03:03) **The Five Steps of Design Thinking (and the Four-Step Cheat Sheet)** - Dave introduces the design thinking process and distills it into a simple, memorable framework.
  • 2 (05:53) **The First Step to Getting Unstuck: Get Curious** - Dave gives the number one piece of advice for anyone feeling miserable in their current job.
  • 3 (06:55) **The Odyssey Method: Why You Need Three Possible Futures** - Dave explains the purpose of creating multiple life plans and how to generate them without commitment.
  • 4 (11:49) **How to Have the "Narrative Conversation" (Not the Transactional One)** - Dave explains the practical, low-stakes way to investigate a new career path by talking to people.
  • 5 (18:11) **The Three-Legged Stool Test and the Power of Prototyping** - Dave introduces the criteria for evaluating any idea and the story of a woman who skipped the prototype.
  • 6 (20:44) **Don't Be Daunted by a "Saturated" Market** - Dave reframes the fear of too much competition and explains how to manage the risk of failure.
  • 7 (22:13) **How to Make a Good Decision (and Commit to It)** - Dave outlines the decision-making process after you have a few options.

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Show Notes

Are you feeling stuck in your career, burned out by the 9-to-5 grind, or wondering what you should actually do with the rest of your life?
In this episode, Dhar Mann sits down with Dave Evans, co-founder of the Stanford Life Design Lab, co-author of the groundbreaking bestseller Designing Your Life, original Apple product manager behind the first computer mouse, and co-founder of Electronic Arts (EA). At the absolute peak of his tech career, a single heartbreaking question from his three-year-old son forced Dave to walk away from massive wealth, equity, and prestige to reinvent his entire life around what truly mattered.
Dave shares the exact, battle-tested Design Thinking framework taught at Stanford to help you unlock clarity, escape burnout, and stop agonizing over finding the “one right path.” You'll learn the 4-step life design process, how to map out 5-year alternative futures using the "Odyssey Plan," why the 80-hour workweek is often a myth we tell ourselves, and the secret to building a life centered on everyday meaning, purpose, and flow.

What Happens Next... The Dhar Mann Podcast is the latest venture produced by Dhar Mann Studios. Hosted by Dhar Mann, the NY Times proclaimed "Moral Philosopher" himself, this podcast will invite the audience in on exclusive conversations between Dhar and his high-profile guests so that they can listen to never before told stories of their shocking journeys on their paths to success. Through their challenges Dhar will reveal unknown twists, setbacks, and turning points that almost derailed them - and how instead these moments led to their success. Each episode will highlight never before heard moments that shaped who they are today - and the lessons we all can learn from them.

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