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5 min readSaturated x Deepen with Pastor Jonathan Pokluda
Pastor Jonathan Pokluda (JP) describes his ministry as "evangelizing Christians"—people who have been in church their whole lives but have never actually trusted in Christ. The central question of this conversation is what it actually means to be "all in" with Jesus, and why so many churchgoers miss it entirely.
The binary nature of salvation
JP and Pastor Joby Martin are insistent that Christianity is not a spectrum. You cannot be "mostly Christian" or "kind of Christian." The New Testament, JP notes, calls believers "in Christ" 168 times but calls them "Christians" only three times. Being in Christ means something total—not just believing facts about Jesus so you can go to heaven someday.
The two diagnostic questions from evangelist D. James Kennedy frame the problem. First: on a scale of 1 to 10, how certain are you that you would go to heaven if you died today? Second: if you stood before God and he asked why he should let you in, what would you say? JP observes that many people can answer the second question theologically correctly—"because of Jesus"—but still answer the first question with a 7 or 8. That gap reveals something. They know the right answer but lack actual assurance.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **Opening Banter & Setting the Stage** - The hosts exchange lighthearted jokes about a custom podium and the church setting, establishing rapport.
- 2 (02:43) **Defining “All In”** - Joby asks JP what it means to be “all in” for both believers and unbelievers.
- 3 (05:22) **The Misery of a Divided Life** - Joby describes the agony of having one foot in the world and one in the Word.
- 4 (07:26) **The Kennedy Questions: Certainty of Salvation** - Kyle introduces the classic evangelism questions from D. James Kennedy.
- 5 (10:31) **Biblical Authority & Assurance** - JP argues that assurance comes from trusting the Bible, not from feelings.
- 6 (13:49) **Binary Reality: Heaven and Hell** - JP lays out a clear, binary understanding of eternal destiny.
- 7 (15:52) **Why Christians Struggle with Assurance** - Kyle asks why young or insecure Christians keep “praying the prayer” over and over.
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Show Notes
Together with Pastor Jonathan Vinke and Kyle Thompson from Undaunted.Life, Pastor Joby and our guest pastors take a deep dive into what God is doing during Saturated. Our prayer is these conversations help to discover and deepen a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Supplemental Resources:
• Jonathan Pokluda's Books
• Saturated Night 3: Pastor Jonathan Pokluda (Full Service)
• Do You Renounce the Sins of Your Past?
• Saturated 2026
The Church of Eleven22® is a movement for all people to discover and deepen a relationship with Jesus Christ. Eleven22 is led by Pastor Joby Martin and based in Jacksonville, Florida, with multiple campuses throughout Jacksonville and the surrounding areas.
To find out more about how God is moving in and through The Church of Eleven22, visit coe22.com
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