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5 min readScott Wu, co-founder and CEO of Cognition, describes himself as "salty"—a term he defines as taking personal offense at the idea of losing. That competitive drive, forged in childhood math competitions and Super Smash Brothers tournaments, is the operating system he brings to building Devin, an AI software engineer. This summary distills the strategic lessons, competitive philosophy, and product logic from a raw conversation between Wu and host David Senra.
The Competitive Operating System
Wu traces his relentless drive to a single memory: as a second-grader, he competed in a seventh-grade math competition. He watched third and second place get called, then nothing. "I just remember being so pissed about that," he says. That feeling never left. He describes his entire approach to building a company as a "tree search"—constantly calculating moves, exploring decision branches, and figuring out which path leads to victory. "That's like the only thing I do in my life," he says.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:02) **The Origin of "Salty"** - Scott describes his lifelong hatred of losing, starting with a childhood math competition
- 2 (00:06) **Early Competitive Arena** - Math and programming competitions were his life; the structure naturally filtered for talent
- 3 (00:20) **Family Influence: The Go Connection** - How his father's skill in Go led the family to immigrate to the US
- 4 (00:53) **Parental Archetype: Self-Confidence** - His mother instilled a belief in his exceptional talent, similar to Estée Lauder's upbringing
- 5 (01:35) **The Big Ambition for Cognition** - Why the founding team (9 people, mostly prior founders) came together for this specific bet
- 6 (02:56) **What Devin Does Today** - A description of the product's current state and enterprise traction
- 7 (03:52) **The Future: From Seconds to Years** - The trajectory of agent capability and the first-principles thinking behind it
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Show Notes
Scott Wu is the co-founder and CEO of Cognition, the company behind Devin, the world's first AI software engineer.
Wu describes himself as "salty," a word he traces to second grade, when he competed in a seventh-grade math competition, lost, and never forgot it. Born in 1997 in Louisiana to a Chinese immigrant family, he grew up the little brother who hated losing at video games and turned that into a career. At the International Olympiad in Informatics he won three gold medals and placed first overall in 2014; he was the 2011 MathCounts national champion. He approaches building a company the way he approaches a strategy game: a tree search, calculating moves, working the decision tree toward victory. By his own account, competition is all he does.
He dropped out of Harvard after two years, worked as a founding engineer at Scale AI, and co-founded Lunchclub before starting Cognition in August 2023 with fellow IOI gold medalists Steven Hao and Walden Yan. They built it in a New York apartment. Devin's annualized revenue then climbed from $1 million in September 2024 to $73 million by June 2025.
In May 2026, Cognition raised at a $26 billion valuation.
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Chapters
(00:00:00) Scott Wu’s Obsession With Winning
(00:02:06) Competitive Programming, Games And Finding His People
(00:04:24) Family, Go, And The Roots Of Scott’s Competitiveness
(00:08:35) Why Losing Hurts More Than Winning Feels Good
(00:09:38) What Winning With Devin Looks Like
(00:12:55) Devin Today: The AI Software Engineer
(00:13:52) Software As The Human-Computer Interface
(00:18:45) Why AI Progress Is Hard To Intuit
(00:20:39) Thinking About AI From First Principles
(00:22:57) What Happens When Agents Can Work For Months
(00:30:18) The Original Thesis Behind Cognition
(00:31:12) Launching Devin And Handling Criticism
(00:37:17) Finding Product-Market Fit In The Enterprise
(00:42:41) How Cognition Deploys Devin Inside Large Companies
(00:48:34) Measuring ROI Instead Of Token Spend
(00:50:01) Why Cognition Wants To Be Model-Neutral
(00:52:18) Why Focus Lets Startups Beat Giants
(00:57:14) Independence, Acquisitions, And Building A Generational Company
(01:00:27) Why Money Is Not The Goal
(01:03:42) One Life: Going For It All
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