Ivanka Trump on Building an Authentic Life

May 31, 2026

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Ivanka Trump describes the moment she and her husband Jared Kushner discovered the 1,400-hectare private island in the Mediterranean that would become their next project. They were on a friend’s boat, stopped for a swim, and hiked barefoot to the top. “We were just captivated,” she says. “And it stayed with us ever since.” That island, Saison, is now the culmination of everything she has learned across real estate, government, and entrepreneurship. But the project is not just a business. “It feels more like a challenge than anything else,” she says. “The culmination of all of my experience in real estate, all of my travel, a lot of reflection on how I want to live, how I think people increasingly are wanting to live.”

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1 (00:02) **Ivanka Trump’s Current Work Life** - She describes being in a place of self-knowledge, doing mission-driven work across real estate, AI, biotech, and venture investing.
2 (07:55) **The Process of Learning Who You Are** - She explains that instinct must be developed, and that the world will project an identity onto you if you don’t know yourself.
3 (14:51) **Morning Routine and Creating Stillness** - She details her disciplined morning: cooking breakfast, meditating by the ocean, and working out to set a proactive, non-reactive tone for the day.
4 (17:04) **Escaping Competition Through Authenticity** - She shares Naval’s quote: “Escape competition through authenticity.”
5 (20:02) **The Importance of Memoirs and Sharing Wisdom** - She discusses the active service of writing a book, using Sam Walton’s biography as an example of pushing wisdom down generations.
6 (25:21) **Re-reading and the Search for Meaning** - She explains her shift to “less and better,” including re-reading books that had a profound impact on her.
7 (29:32) **The Most Difficult Professional Period** - She identifies the choice to go into government as the most challenging time, requiring a complete change in life trajectory.

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Show Notes

Ivanka Trump grew up on construction sites and in boardrooms, learning what it takes to be a builder. At just 22 years old, she started doing real estate for a Brooklyn developer. She notched small wins with construction crews and learned the trade.

Then came the launch of her own fashion brand — which reached over $800 million in annual sales — run simultaneously with the Trump Organization's real estate acquisitions. The centerpiece was the Old Post Office in Washington, D.C., a dilapidated 1890s building she personally shepherded into a thriving urban hotel.

In 2016, she went to Washington, D.C. to provide support to her father in his first term as President of the United States. During the four years in Washington, D.C., she helped in doubling the child tax credit for 40 million families, standing up the first national paid family leave plan for federal employees, passing nine pieces of legislation against human trafficking, and getting the Great American Outdoors Act signed — the largest environmental legislation since Teddy Roosevelt created the national parks.

When it ended, she started over, and built again. She co-founded Planet Harvest, creating a market for the 40% of American fruits and vegetables discarded each year because they don't meet cosmetic specifications. She's building Sazan, a 1,400-hectare private island in the Mediterranean with five miles of beachfront. She's investing in founders at the frontier of AI, biotech, robotics, and space. And she's working with Elad Gil to create Alexandria AI, a project that will translate the world's great public-domain literature into every major language and give it away for free.

She describes herself as mission-driven now, not achievement-driven. The difference, she says, took her decades to find.

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Chapters

(00:00:00) Knowing What Excites You

(00:02:02) The Sazan Island Project

(00:07:18) Knowing Who You Are

(00:13:06) Creating Stillness

(00:16:30) Finding Mentors In Books