What you'll learn

• 1 (00:28) **Show Intro & Setup** - Dan McClellan and Dan Beecher introduce the episode's two main topics: the ethics of deception "for the Lord" (targeting Christian nationalist Joel Webbin) and the "terrible parable" of the wedding banquet.
• 2 (02:29) **Who is Joel Webbin?** - Dan McClellan identifies Webbin as a "hardcore Christian nationalist," president of Right Response Ministries, and senior pastor of a church in Austin, Texas.
• 3 (03:46) **The Proof-Text: 2 Kings 23 and Josiah's Reforms** - Webbin reads from 2 Kings 23, which describes King Josiah violently purging idolatry, as a model for Christian political action.
• 4 (07:52) **The Call for Violence and Deception** - Webbin's co-host Todd explicitly calls for the Texas National Guard to depose pastors of churches flying pride flags and auction off their property, to which Webbin says "Amen."
• 5 (11:11) **Taking Issue: Is It Biblical and American?** - The hosts argue that Webbin's position is neither biblical nor American, despite his claims.
• 6 (17:40) **The Immorality of the Deception** - The hosts conclude that even if one could argue the Bible permits deception for God's purposes, Webbin's agenda is still immoral, hateful, and harmful.
• 7 (23:10) **The Biblical Case for Divine Deception** - The hosts explore the idea of a "trickster God" in the Bible, where deception is sometimes portrayed as permissible or even orchestrated by God.

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