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5 min readThe Attack That Doesn't Need Malware
A finance employee gets a Zoom invitation from their CFO. They join the call and see familiar faces—the CFO, several colleagues, all people they know. The CFO explains they need to move money urgently for a deal. The employee does exactly what security training taught them: they verify with their own eyes and ears before releasing funds. Fifteen wire transfers later, $25.6 million is gone. Every face on that call was a deepfake.
This is not a hypothetical. It happened to a Hong Kong branch of Aru, a London-based engineering firm, in 2024. The attackers had scraped social media for video and audio of the company's executives, used AI to create a convincing video conference, and called the employee. As Dr. Sergio Sanchez—an AI social engineer, CTO at a healthcare system, and former Apple executive—explains in this conversation, the technology to do this is now cheap, fast, and widely available. The attack required no malware, no ransomware, no code. Just a conversation.
Social Engineering Is Not New—The Vehicle Is
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What you'll learn
- 1 (02:08) **The $25.6 Million Deepfake Heist** - A finance employee verifies a CFO on a Zoom call before releasing funds; every face on the call was a deepfake.
- 2 (02:56) **Why 79% of Breaches Start Without Malware** - The host introduces the core stat: most breaches begin with a conversation, not a technical hack.
- 3 (04:05) **Introducing Dr. Sergio Sanchez** - An AI social engineer, CTO of a major healthcare system, and former Apple and Activision executive joins the show.
- 4 (05:37) **The Trojan Horse of Social Engineering** - Sergio reframes social engineering as an ancient tactic, not a new digital threat.
- 5 (08:53) **How AI Makes Phishing Irresistible** - The host and Sergio discuss why AI-written emails are so effective.
- 6 (14:49) **The Speed of Modern Breaches** - Attackers move from a single compromised laptop to critical data in under an hour.
- 7 (19:30) **Legitimate Deepfake Tools Are the New Threat** - The tools used for deepfakes are legitimate, multi-million-dollar enterprise products.
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Show Notes
Dr Sergio Sanchez and me explore the legitimate use and illegitimate use of deepfakes targeting individuals and small business. Host David Dean Mauro even deepfaked himself. Can you tell?
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