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5 min readCyber insurance expert Joseph Brunsman joins Cyber Crime Junkies to outline its structure, pitfalls, and evolving rules. Drawing from his books Damage Control and Open Before Crisis, as well as cases like Travelers vs. ICS and Uber's breaches, he explains how businesses often mishandle policies, leading to denied claims and massive costs. Emphasis falls on prevention over reliance on coverage, given rising cyber threats like ransomware and wire fraud.
Core Components of Cyber Insurance
Cyber insurance splits into two sides: third-party claims (liability, such as class actions from data breaches or regulatory fines from bodies like HHS-OCR, FTC, or state attorneys general) and first-party claims (business recovery after events). First-party covers four buckets: data breaches or cyber events (access and theft of PII, PHI, PCI, or confidential info); ransomware (restoration, negotiation, payments—though often excluded); loss of funds (wire fraud, social engineering, invoice manipulation, with policy-specific definitions and sublimits like $100,000 caps); and miscellaneous (reputational harm, bricking, crypto-jacking—useful only if relevant). Coverage overlaps buckets, but terms like "social engineering" vary by policy, not statute, demanding close reading. Unlike standardized auto policies, cyber policies lack case law, making outcomes unpredictable; regulatory fines are
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What you'll learn
- 1 (01:42) **Guest Introduction** - Joseph Brunsman, cybersecurity expert, author, and president of Brunsman Advisory Group, with Naval Academy and electronic warfare background
- 2 (02:44) **Cyber Insurance Basics** - High-level overview: two sides (third-party liability, first-party coverage), four buckets, and exclusions
- 3 (03:44) **Third-Party Liability Details** - Covers class actions, regulator fines (e.g., HIPAA, FTC); insurable in most states but unclear case law
- 4 (06:47) **First-Party Buckets Breakdown** - Data breach (access/acquisition of PII/PHI), ransomware, loss of funds (e.g., BEC/wire fraud), miscellaneous (reputation, bricking)
- 5 (09:22) **Wire Fraud and Social Engineering Coverage** - Not guaranteed; read policy definitions, as terms vary and may exclude key scenarios
- 6 (12:20) **Why Cyber Insurance Differs from Standard Policies** - No standardized terms/case law like auto insurance; insurers experiment amid rising claims
- 7 (18:34) **Industry Evolution and Underwriting Shifts** - From lax coverage (parked Rolls-Royce analogy) to strict requirements due to losses and VC influx
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Show Notes
Joined by Joseph Brunsman discussing how to avoid cyber insurance mistakes, biggest cyber insurance mistakes to avoid, and how to transfer risk for SMBs.
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