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5 min read“I don't feel like there's a need for me to write a book,” Vivian Ku says near the end of this episode of Chef’s Table: Talks. “I'm just gonna do what makes sense to me.” That quiet resolve—neither ambitious nor indifferent—anchors a conversation that ranges from the layered history of Taiwanese cuisine to the economics of running a neighborhood restaurant in Los Angeles. Ku, the chef and owner of Pine & Crane and Joy, doesn’t position herself as a culinary evangelist. She’s a cook who happens to run a business, and her food is the product of a specific, complicated history that she refuses to simplify.
What Makes Taiwanese Cuisine Taiwanese
Ku describes Taiwanese food as “organically designed for the masses,” a phrase that captures the island’s immigration history. Taiwan, roughly one-eleventh the size of California with about three-quarters of its population, has seen wave after wave of settlement: aboriginal peoples who have been there for 20,000 years, migrants from China’s Fujian province, Hakka Chinese with their own customs, 50 years of Japanese occupation (1895–1945), and then, crucially, the retreat of the Kuomintang (KMT) from mainland China between 1947 and 1949. That last wave brought about two million people—mostly military men, including Ku’s own grandfather—from all over China, a vast landmass with wildly different climates and dietary habits.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:28) **Why Cooking?** - Vivian explains her early motivation to open a restaurant, rooted in a love for feeding people and her family's small business background.
- 2 (03:55) **Defining Taiwanese Cuisine** - Vivian defines Taiwanese food as a product of the island's complex immigration history.
- 3 (07:25) **Examples of Evolving Dishes** - Specific dishes that changed as they moved from China to Taiwan.
- 4 (10:38) **The Idea for a Taiwanese Restaurant** - Vivian's path to opening Pine & Crane, driven by a desire to share her culture.
- 5 (12:26) **From Economics to Cooking** - How a Harvard economics degree led to the restaurant business.
- 6 (15:43) **From Business Plan to Reality** - The evolution of her original noodle shop business plan into Pine & Crane.
- 7 (19:41) **The Spirit of Joy** - The concept and naming of her second restaurant, Joy.
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Show Notes
Vivian Ku (Pine and Crane, Joy) joins David on the show this week! Vivian and David unpack how some of Taiwan's most famous dishes are the result of centuries-long cultural migrations, the family story behind the name of her restaurant Pine and Crane, what Vivian learned working under Alice Waters, whether she'll ever publish a cookbook, and so much more. Pine and Crane Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pineandcrane/ Joy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joyonyork/ Follow Chef's Table: Talks on IG: https://www.instagram.com/chefstableofficial/?hl=en
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