EXCLUSIVE: Ben Shapiro’s 9/10 “Lunch” Date. More Text Messages From Charlie Kirk. | Ep 365

July 24, 2026

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On the afternoon Charlie Kirk was shot, Ben Shapiro says he was at a "breakfast slash lunch meeting" in Los Angeles. He cannot remember whether it was breakfast or lunch. Candace Owens, who has spent months investigating Kirk's death, says she now knows who he was with: a man named Gary Javich, the executive director of B'nai B'rith International—the Jewish Freemasonic lodge that spun off the Anti-Defamation League. She puts a $25,000 bounty on the next piece of information: who in Kirk's security detail was on the phone with Shapiro's security during the seven minutes Kirk was dying in the back of an SUV.

The parasite framework

Owens opens the episode with a long, deliberate analogy. Parasites cannot survive without feeding off a host and causing it harm. Some are mind-controlling: toxoplasmosis can make humans believe they are in love with their cats. Others are tongue-snatching isopods that invade a fish through its gills, replace its tongue entirely, and control the organ. She says certain people emulate this behavior—people who "seek to control and dominate what other people think, what other people say, just like a parasite." She names Zionists as the most obvious example in her recent experience, but her specific target is Ben Shapiro.

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What you'll learn

1 (00:00) **Parasite Metaphor for Enemies** - Candace opens with a detailed analogy about mind-controlling parasites (zombie ants, T. Gondi in cats, tongue-snatching isopods) to frame her view of how Zionists and Ben Shapiro operate.
2 (06:20) **Steve Bannon's Warning About Ben Shapiro** - Candace plays a clip of Steve Bannon calling Ben Shapiro "a cancer" who tried to take over Breitbart after Andrew Breitbart's death, and predicting he would make a move on Turning Point USA.
3 (08:38) **Andrew Kolvet's "Diabolical" Lies** - Candace accuses Turning Point USA's Andrew Kolvet of inverting reality by claiming Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro were friends, and that she and Charlie had a falling out.
4 (10:54) **Text Messages: Charlie Kirk Defends Candace (Nov 15, 2023)** - Candace reads a text thread showing Charlie Kirk privately supporting her when Ben Shapiro and Daily Wire began attacking her for saying "genocide is always wrong."
5 (14:49) **Charlie Kirk Under Donor Pressure** - Candace reveals that Ben Shapiro was squeezing Turning Point USA's donors to block her from speaking at AmFest 2024, and that Charlie was under immense pressure from pro-Israel donors after Oct 7.
6 (17:17) **Ben Shapiro's Immediate Post-Assassination Maneuvers** - Candace describes her shock that Ben Shapiro was sitting in Charlie's studio with a million dollars to buy his legacy immediately after his death, and that Andrew Kolvet then lied about their friendship.
7 (20:29) **Bounty Result: Ben's Lunch Date Identified** - Candace announces the result of her $25,000 bounty: Ben Shapiro was allegedly with a man named Gary Javich (and an unidentified woman) when Charlie Kirk was shot.

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Guests on this episode

Candace Owens Ben Shapiro Charlie Kirk

Show Notes

We receive information regarding who Ben Shapiro was with when Charlie Kirk was hit, Robert O'Neill says the screwdriver story makes no sense in the Tyler Robinson case, and we got a wild comment yesterday about another untimely death… in Hollywood.

00:00 - Start. 01:04 - The lies and zionist squeeze Charlie endured. 17:50 - Who Ben was having lunch with. 30:26 - Tracey denies being the Daily Mail source. 36:57 - Rob O'Neill discusses the screwdriver and rooftop theory. 38:55 - A familiar Hollywood untimely death story. 49:31 - Comments.

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