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5 min readMark Bittman, the longtime New York Times food columnist and author of How to Cook Everything, has spent nearly five decades thinking about what we eat. But in this conversation, he is less interested in recipes than in the structural problems that make good food hard to find. From the physics of whole-grain sourdough to the economics of running a restaurant, Bittman walks through why the food system is broken—and what it would take to fix it.
Why Good Bread Is Different from Bad Bread
Bittman’s entry point is bread, which he argues has been systematically ruined over the last 150 years. For 10,000 years, bread was naturally fermented and made from whole grains. Then, around 1875, commercial yeast and refined white flour took over. The result: bread became a commodity that people eventually learned to fear. “Bad bread is the enemy,” Bittman says, not bread itself.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (04:00) **Origin of the No-Knead Bread Phenomenon** - Mark tells the story of how Jim Lahey's no-knead bread technique became a New York Times viral sensation.
- 2 (06:09) **The Evolution of Bread: From No-Knead to Sourdough** - Mark explains why naturally fermented, whole-grain bread is superior and how the market is shifting.
- 3 (09:57) **Launching a Direct-to-Consumer Bread Business** - Mark describes how his new bread company works: frozen shipping, whole-grain focus, and the logistics behind it.
- 4 (14:23) **The Professional vs. the Home Baker** - A contrast between Mark's home-baking experience and the skill of a professional baker.
- 5 (17:50) **Why Good Bread Doesn't Bother Gluten-Sensitive People** - Mark explains a common phenomenon: people who react to bad bread often tolerate naturally fermented, whole-grain bread.
- 6 (21:00) **Stepping Back from Journalism** - Mark reflects on leaving his Times columns and the withdrawal from the constant deadline cycle.
- 7 (23:47) **The Big Picture: A History of Food and Agriculture** - Mark discusses his book *Animal, Vegetable, Junk*, which traces how humans ate locally for 9,800 years and then industrial agriculture ruined it in the last 200.
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Show Notes
This week we welcome legendary cookbook author, journalist, and all around fabulous human Mark Bittman to the pod. He and Tom talk all things food, and more. Enjoy!
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