EP: 468 The Church is Afraid of the Supernatural with Jon Moffitt

September 25, 2026

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Pastor and theologian Jon Moffitt joins the Blurry Creatures podcast to explain why he believes the modern Reformed church has become afraid of the supernatural, and how recovering a "cosmic" or "enchanted" view of Scripture has transformed his faith—and landed him in controversy. Moffitt argues that the Bible assumes a vast spiritual reality it only sketches, and that ignoring this leaves Christians unprepared for both the darkness in the world and the full scope of the gospel.

The Church's Fear of the Supernatural

Moffitt describes growing up in a strict fundamentalist Baptist environment, then later training at a prominent Reformed seminary. In both settings, he says, the supernatural dimensions of the Bible were systematically avoided. "I was not trained at all to think about the supernatural or like demons and angels," he says. "I didn't even get a class." The reason, he believes, is that Reformed circles are so afraid of sounding like the charismatic movement that they steer clear of any topic that could be associated with it. "It's easier to be like, we gotta stay away from that," he says. This leaves pastors without tools to address passages like Ephesians 6 (principalities and powers), the Lord's Prayer ("deliver us from the evil one"), or Genesis 6 (the sons of God and the Nephilim). Moffitt notes that when he began preaching on these texts, he heard warnings lik

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What you'll learn

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2 (04:42) **The Church's Truncated Supernatural View** - Jon Moffitt introduces his core argument: the modern church has a very limited understanding of the supernatural realm
3 (11:43) **Jon Moffitt's Background: From Fundamentalism to the Supernatural** - How a strict Baptist upbringing and a crisis of faith led Jon to rebuild his theology
4 (16:13) **The Lord's Prayer That Changed Everything** - The specific moment Jon realized the church was ignoring a key supernatural element in Jesus' own words
5 (18:21) **Finding Doug Van Dorn and Michael Heiser** - How Jon connected with the Reformed supernaturalist network and overcame his skepticism
6 (20:17) **Starting Reform Fringe and "Blurry Nights"** - How Jon's podcast and church gatherings created a safe space for supernatural conversations
7 (23:10) **The Backlash: Warnings and Accusations** - The institutional pushback Jon received for talking about supernatural topics

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Show Notes

Jon Moffitt is a Reformed pastor, and in his world, you do not talk about this. Demons, principalities, the divine council, the unseen war Paul describes in Ephesians. It is not that the Reformed church calls it heresy. It is that the Reformed church is so afraid of looking charismatic that it simply goes quiet. Jon lives in that silence for years, until he sits down to preach the Lord's Prayer and gets stuck on one line. Deliver us from the evil one. He realizes he has never heard a single sermon on it, and pulling that thread unravels everything he thought he was allowed to say.

What follows is a conversation about the half of the Bible the modern church keeps skipping. Jon tells Luke and Nate what happens when he starts talking openly: the church members who finally admit the things they have seen, the eight-year-old with a possession story, and the businessman who hides a UFO encounter for twenty years because he is too ashamed to say it out loud. He also brings the discipline his tradition is known for, drawing a hard line between experience and Scripture and refusing the lazy answer that everything is a demon. This is the supernatural handled by a man who is not looking for a monster under every rock.

Get Jon's book here: The Bible According to Jesus

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