EP: 419 The Hidden History of the Giants with Gary Wayne

August 18, 2026

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In the second century, a deacon in Rome pointed pilgrims to two specific graves: a "trophy" of Peter in the Vatican field and a trophy of Paul on the Ostian Way. These markers were victory monuments built over the apostles' burial sites within living memory of their executions. Nearly two millennia later, archaeologists digging under St. Peter's Basilica found a first-century male skeleton wrapped in gold and purple thread, tucked into a wall receptacle where it had been moved and forgotten. The bones of Paul, tested in 2009, also proved to be first-century. For the early church, these remains were not curiosities—they were the most important objects a kingdom could possess.

The Apostles' Ends and the Bones Beneath Rome

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What you'll learn

1 (00:00) **Episode Introduction & Guest Welcome** - Hosts welcome Dr. Brian Litfin, professor and early church expert, and frame the conversation around the forgotten supernatural worldview of the early church.
2 (06:07) **The Fate of the Apostles: Peter in Rome** - Dr. Litfin details the archaeological and historical evidence for Peter's martyrdom and burial under the Vatican.
3 (16:51) **The Fate of the Apostles: Paul's Execution** - Dr. Litfin explains Paul's death as a Roman citizen and the preservation of his tomb.
4 (28:43) **The "Rock" of Matthew 16: A Cosmic Conquest** - Dr. Litfin reinterprets Jesus's declaration about "this rock" as a statement of victory over the powers of hell.
5 (31:59) **What Would an Early Church Father Say to a Modern Christian?** - Dr. Litfin imagines a conversation, highlighting the missing element of victory over the powers in the modern gospel.
6 (40:49) **The Fate of the Apostles: Thomas Goes East** - Dr. Litfin traces the tradition of Thomas's missionary journey to India and the fate of his relics.
7 (52:58) **The Cult of the Saints: Why Bones Matter** - Dr. Litfin explains the biblical and historical basis for venerating relics, a practice lost to modern Christians.

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Show Notes

Gary Wayne is back in the basement for round four, and this one is a monster. The author of The Genesis 6 Conspiracy Part I and Part II sits down with us to walk through the taxonomy of post-flood giants, the tribes the church never talks about, and why the Table of Nations has massive holes that point to something the Bible is quietly telling us. We dig into the Raphaim, the Anakim, the Baalim council of gods ruling from Mount Hermon, and how Canaan's curse connects directly to the reemergence of giant bloodlines in the covenant land. Gary breaks down 15 years of research, logging scripture, and connecting dots between Hebrew root words, Ugaritic texts, and polytheist accounts that all tell the same story through different lenses.
We also go deep on the corruption of all flesh before the flood, chimeras, DNA manipulation, the seven sacred sciences that secret societies trace back to the watchers, and why the knowledge cult that started before the flood is still running the show today through institutions most people never question. Gary unpacks Azazel's connection to the scapegoat ritual, the degradation of angelic beings into satyr gods, interdimensional portals, and what CERN might actually be trying to accomplish. This is a masterclass in biblical giant research.

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