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5 min readTammy Grimes was four years old when she looked out her bedroom window in central Florida and saw something massive moving over the top of a utility shed. The animal stopped directly in front of her window, maybe ten to twelve feet away, and looked down at her. She remembers it as having the build of Lou Ferrigno — very muscular, broad across the shoulders, tapered at the waist, with arms so long its hands nearly touched the ground. The hair on its face started below the eye, the upper lip was unusually long, and the head came to a point at the crown. It had no neck. Then it took off at a speed that terrified her more than the animal itself. "I knew at four years old," she says, "that there was nothing you could do if that animal wanted to catch you." That encounter in the winter of 1971–72, outside her bedroom window in central Florida, gave her nightmares for 25 years.
From Childhood Encounter to NAWAC Researcher
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What you'll learn
- 1 (02:28) **Guest Introduction: Tammy Grimes, NAWAC Board Member** - Tammy Grimes is introduced as a NAWAC board member and researcher from southeast Oklahoma.
- 2 (05:04) **Childhood Encounter: The Defining Event** - Tammy describes her first sighting at age four in the Green Swamp, Florida (1971-72).
- 3 (10:20) **Recognizing the Animal: From Nightmare to Reality** - Tammy explains how she connected her childhood sighting to the Patterson-Gimlin film and the "In Search Of" episode.
- 4 (14:11) **Green Swamp Research and Habitat Pressure** - Tammy discusses her independent research in Florida's Green Swamp and the website sasquatchscience.org.
- 5 (20:32) **How Tammy Joined NAWAC** - Her mother's 2022 sighting in a phosphate mining area prompted Tammy to find a scientific organization, leading her to NAWAC.
- 6 (27:10) **NAWAC's Mission and the Type Specimen Goal** - Tammy explains the organization's overarching goal: scientific recognition and conservation of the North American wood ape.
- 7 (33:34) **Proximity and the Challenge of Evidence** - Tammy discusses how close researchers have gotten to the animals and why definitive proof remains elusive.
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Show Notes
Now actively involved in ongoing investigations, Tami discusses the work being done by NAWAC researchers and the long-term study taking place in the Ouachita Mountains of southeast Oklahoma at a location known as Area X. She shares details about unusual vocalizations echoing through the valley, investigators hearing something breathing just yards away in the darkness, and activity that continues to unfold around camp during research operations.
Along the way, Tami talks about the scientific approach behind the organization’s mission, the intelligence these animals seem to display, and why the deeper researchers go into the woods, the more complex the mystery becomes. From Florida swamps to the rugged mountains of Oklahoma, this conversation offers a fascinating look into the ongoing effort to understand one of the most elusive creatures said to inhabit North America.
Join us as we explore Tami’s journey, the research happening at Area X, and the encounters that keep investigators returning to the woods.
Resources:
https://www.woodape.org
https://www.facebook.com/noamwoodape
https://www.sasquatchscience.org/
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