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5 min readGreg Gunthorpe, a fourth-generation pasture hog farmer from Indiana, spent the 1990s as a low-cost, outdoor pig producer. When the hog market collapsed in 1998, he lost nearly everything. But a high school exchange trip to the UK had planted an idea: farmers could raise, process, and sell their own meat directly. That idea became his lifeline. Thirty years later, he runs 400 sows outdoors, owns a USDA-inspected slaughterhouse on his farm, and his pork is on the menu by name at Disney World through Rick Bayless’s restaurants. His son Evan runs a separate sheep-grazing operation on utility-scale solar farms. Gunthorpe is also one of the most outspoken voices in agriculture on X, arguing that the independent farmer’s only viable market—direct-to-consumer and farm-to-table—has been systematically co-opted by the largest meat packers.
The 1998 Collapse and the Pivot to Direct Marketing
Gunthorpe’s father told him in 1994 that the independent hog business was finished. By 1998, he was right: prices hit eight cents a pound, and the small processors that independent farmers depended on had closed. Gunthorpe had no equity left. But he had seen something in Scotland and England in 1988—farmers who raised, processed, and sold their own meat to restaurants and shops. He bet his remaining resources on that model.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (05:49) **The 1994 Prediction & 30 Years Later** - Greg's dad told him the independent hog farmer was finished; Greg reflects on the accuracy of that call.
- 2 (06:54) **The Family Farm That Resisted Industrialization** - Greg describes the 600-acre diversified operation he grew up on, which was a model of low-input, regenerative agriculture before the term existed.
- 3 (10:05) **The Lost Economics of a Bygone Era** - Greg contrasts the wealth-creation potential of past agriculture with the financial squeeze on modern farmers.
- 4 (12:36) **The 1998 Crash and the Pivot to Farm-to-Table** - Greg details the moment the hog market collapsed and his radical, debt-fueled decision to build a processing plant and sell direct.
- 5 (14:48) **The Seed of an Idea: A Summer in the UK** - Greg traces his farm-to-table vision back to a high school exchange program in Scotland and England.
- 6 (17:54) **Going Against the Grain: The Low-Cost Producer Myth** - Greg explains his strategy to be a low-cost producer by grazing sows on pasture and hogging down corn, only to find that in 1998, no one was low-cost enough.
- 7 (22:58) **The Lucky Phone Call to Charlie Trotter's** - Greg recounts the improbable series of events that landed him a sale at the number-one-rated restaurant in the world.
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Show Notes
Forty companies own 70 percent of the hogs in this country. Fewer than 100 plants slaughter 99.7 percent of them. Small farms running their own processing account for 0.3 percent of the pork on shelves, 2 percent of the beef. So when a menu names a farm, the math says it almost never is one.
Greg Gunthorp is a fourth generation pastured hog farmer in Indiana, 400 sows on 275 acres, with a USDA-inspected plant on his own farm and pork sold by name at Rick Bayless restaurants, including inside Disney. In 1998 hogs were bringing 8 cents a pound minus trucking. He maxed his credit cards, pulled pennies out of his daughter's piggy bank for a school field trip, and drove a pig packed in ice in the back of his wife's Suzuki Swift into Chicago, where Wine Spectator had just named the restaurant he was selling to the best in the world.
Then the big packers noticed. He calls it winning a few battles and losing the war, shadow brands priced 25 to 40 percent over commodity, selling the same conventional product the independent farmers built their name on. Until January of 2026, foreign meat repackaged here could legally say Product of USA on the label.
Also in this one: why farmers get 14 cents of every food dollar, the JBS bribery scandal and the 97 day pause on Brazilian imports, why he ranks solar grazing above his own kill floor, why 70 percent of the lamb sold in America is imported, and the same four point reform pitch that landed the same way with a MAHA crowd and an antitrust crowd.
His line on what these farms actually export: the topsoil and the kids.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Cold open and guest introduction
04:45 In '94 his dad said the little guy was done
05:29 40 companies own 70 percent of America's hogs
06:20 600 acres, woven wire fence, hogs on pasture
10:14 172 dollars an acre, and a 17,000 dollar silo that same year
12:07 A home equity loan, a foreclosure notice, a piggy bank
14:01 1988, an exchange trip, sheep farms selling straight to restaurants
16:24 Sponsor break, Propane Farm Research Program
17:04 Purdue, 1994, buying the family sow herd
20:01 8 cent hogs, and nobody was cheap enough to survive
22:21 A cold call to a chef who never answers
25:30 A hog packed in ice in a Suzuki Swift to Chicago
27:06 The best restaurant in the world, by accident
28:17 Rick Bayless becomes his biggest customer
32:01 Why he had to own the processing himself
43:41 Built the plant, maxed the ca
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