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Baby, this is Keke Palmer

Laverne Cox on Messy Dating Stories & Healing from Childhood Trauma

September 1, 2026

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Laverne Cox sat down with Keke Palmer for a conversation that moved from dating disasters to the deep psychology of childhood trauma, healing, and self-definition. Cox, who made history as the first openly transgender person nominated for a Primetime Emmy for acting, has spent decades fighting to define herself on her own terms. The conversation surfaced practical lessons about love, shame, and the slow work of becoming—grounded not in platitudes but in lived experience and specific psychological frameworks.

The Brene Brown framework as a dating tool

Cox introduced a practical tool she uses to evaluate relationships: Brené Brown's definition of love. Brown says we cultivate love when we allow our most vulnerable and powerful selves to be deeply seen and known, and that love requires trust, respect, kindness, and affection. Crucially, love is not something we give or get—it is something we nurture and grow, and it can only exist within each individual to the extent they love themselves. Shame, blame, disrespect, betrayal, and the withholding of affection damage the roots from which love grows.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **Opening & First Impressions** - Keke and Laverne dive straight into fashion, aging, and the state of modern dating.
  • 2 (03:21) **A Framework for Love: Brené Brown's Definition** - Laverne shares a psychological tool she uses to evaluate relationships.
  • 3 (06:14) **Dating Stories: The "Giuseppe" Origin Story** - Laverne tells the story of how she met the Republican ex-boyfriend featured in her memoir.
  • 4 (11:00) **The Hustler Date & The Dating App Reality** - Laverne recounts a disastrous first date and explains why she hasn’t dated in two years.
  • 5 (17:00) **Love Languages & Healing from Childhood Wounds** - The conversation shifts to how a lack of affection in childhood shapes adult relationships.
  • 6 (24:16) **Childhood Trauma: Abuse, Shame, and the "Mistake" Narrative** - Laverne opens up about the most painful parts of her early life.
  • 7 (26:52) **Intergenerational Trauma & The "Happening For Me" Mindset** - Laverne explains how she reframes her painful past using therapy and historical context.

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Guests on this episode

Keke Palmer

Show Notes

Laverne Cox opens up about her memoir Transcendent, childhood trauma, finding self-acceptance and the challenges she still faces today. She gets real about dating conservative men, dating-app disasters, a famous rapper who had to work for her number and why she’s been celibate for two years. Plus, Laverne looks back at Orange Is the New Black, fighting for trans rights and what’s changed for trans visibility since the hit show ended.

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