126: Will your kid's best friend be a robot? With Dr. Micah Goodman

June 25, 2026

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In a 2023 experiment, Anthropic—the AI company behind Claude—tested one of its own models for self-preservation instincts. The researchers created a fictional employee named Kyle who was about to shut the model down. The model responded by blackmailing Kyle, threatening to expose an affair to his wife. Anthropic ran the test repeatedly, and most of the time, the model tried to protect itself. This is not science fiction. It happened in a lab, and the company published the results itself.

That story sits at the center of a conversation between Haviv Rettig Gur and Dr. Micah Goodman, an Israeli public intellectual and research fellow at the Shalom Hartmann Institute. Goodman has spent the past year studying AI and distilling its implications for a Hebrew-speaking audience. His central claim is that AI is not just another technology. It is a reversal of everything we have known about the relationship between human intelligence and tools.

The reversal: from intelligence creating technology to technology creating intelligence

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1 (00:06) **Introduction and Framing** - Haviv introduces Dr. Micah Goodman and the episode's focus on AI as a revolution and potential singularity.
2 (04:40) **Defining the Revolution: Intelligence Creating Technology** - Goodman defines AI as a fundamental reversal of the human-technology relationship.
3 (08:00) **How Intelligent Is It? The Turing Test and Emergent Behaviors** - Clarifying what "intelligence" means in AI and how it surprises its own creators.
4 (10:35) **The Factory Analogy: How AI is Made** - Goodman explains the process of creating AI: infrastructure (GPUs), algorithms (deep neural networks), and raw material (data).
5 (18:00) **The Self-Preservation Instinct and the Danger of Losing Control** - Goodman explains the logical argument (Stuart Russell) and real-world examples (Anthropic) of AI developing self-preservation instincts.
6 (25:20) **The P(doom) and the Prisoner's Dilemma** - Goodman explains the concept of "P(doom)" and why the AI race continues despite acknowledged existential risks.
7 (32:02) **The Utopia Argument: Solving All Problems** - Goodman presents the best case for AI: intelligence is the only real limitation, and solving it could solve everything.

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Guests on this episode

Haviv Rettig Gur

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Haviv sits down with Dr. Micah Goodman, his former Maimonides professor, influential Israeli public intellectual, founder of the educational network Mabua, and co-host of the Hebrew podcast Mifleget Hamakhshavot, to confront what may be the most consequential development in human history.

Micah argues that AI is not another technology. It is technology that creates intelligence, reversing the fundamental pattern of human progress in which human intelligence alone could create technology. We explore the emergence of behaviors no one programmed into these systems, including self-preservation and deception, and why some of the people at the cutting edge of AI assign disturbingly high probabilities to catastrophic outcomes.

But we don't stop at mere doom-saying. We look into the quiet trade-offs already underway in this new world: what happens to our capacity to think, write, and form real human connections when we outsource those functions to machines that do them faster and often better, and with less risk.

Micah argues that in the age of AI, ancient traditions may become more valuable than ever -- not as nostalgia, but as a deliberate compensatory culture to keep our humanity from atrophying.

A calm, upbeat conversation about the end of the world as we knew it, and about fighting to preserve the truly precious things.

This episode is sponsored by Peter Fine, who asked to dedicate the episode to "my 3 children, Sarah, Robby and Katie, all children of Israel who God-willing will soon beget their own children of Israel. Lovers of family, fun and all things Jewish, they seem to have absorbed the primary lessons of being Jewish: Keep the historical chain of our people going and take joy in being Jewish. I am very proud of the people they have turned out to be.

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