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5 min readThis episode of Ask Haviv Anything is a raw, internal argument. The host is wrestling with a single, agonizing question provoked by a Nicholas Kristof op-ed in the New York Times alleging mass sexual violence against Palestinian prisoners: how do you confront the reality of genuine Israeli abuses when the evidence for them is so thoroughly entangled with a massive, dishonest propaganda campaign aimed at delegitimizing and destroying Israel itself?
The host begins by stating the obvious: abuse in prisons is virtually guaranteed, especially after October 7, when thousands of new detainees and undertrained reservist guards flooded the system. He expected a hard-hitting reckoning. Instead, he found what he calls "obvious lies"—a claim about dogs being trained to rape prisoners, a Hamas propagandist laundered as a reliable source, and a Norwegian NGO report citing sixteen cases over three years as evidence of "systemic" sexual violence in the West Bank. He was "relieved by the lies" because they let him cast doubt on the whole thing. But that relief is the trap. The lies do not mean nothing happened.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:04) **Kristof Op-Ed & First Reactions** - Haviv describes reading Nicholas Kristof's New York Times op-ed alleging mass sexual violence against Palestinian prisoners, expecting a hard-hitting story of real abuse given the chaotic prison conditions after October 7.
- 2 (01:41) **Relief at the Lies & The Core Question** - Haviv admits feeling relieved by the propaganda because it allows him to cast doubt, but then pivots to the central tension: what part of the story is nevertheless true?
- 3 (03:52) **The Mechanism of Propaganda: No Fact-Checking** - Haviv explains how false claims spread because journalists never investigate the provenance of sensational stories.
- 4 (05:54) **The New Religion of Anti-Israel Hatred** - Haviv argues that hatred of Israel has become a definitional, religious frenzy for the activist left and parts of the right, replacing other causes like climate change.
- 5 (08:33) **The Real Abuse: Acknowledging the Problem** - Despite the lies, Haviv insists there is real abuse happening, though far less than the propaganda claims.
- 6 (09:27) **Leadership Failure: Ben Gvir and Netanyahu** - Haviv argues that neither the Minister of Prisons (Ben Gvir) nor Prime Minister Netanyahu is interested in fixing the real abuse problem.
- 7 (10:59) **The Military Cost of Indiscipline** - Haviv explains that the breakdown in discipline seen in looting and prisoner abuse will inevitably reveal itself on the battlefield.
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Welcome to our new short-form episodes interspersed with the regular interviews and lectures that dive into an often-asked question about Israel, Jews and the Middle East.
Our current episode tackles the New York Times’ Nick Kristof's oped claiming systemic sexual violence against Palestinian prisoners, which many listeners have asked us to respond to. We ask the obvious question: Is Nicholas Kristof right?
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