Talk Your Book: The Case for Investing in Emerging Market Bonds
June 15, 2026
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5 min readFor decades, the conventional wisdom was simple: emerging market bonds are riskier than developed market bonds. The volatility is higher, the currencies are unstable, and the politics are unpredictable. That story is now upside down. Over the past ten years, the volatility of emerging market bonds and currencies has fallen below that of developed markets like the U.S., UK, and Japan. At the same time, the carry—the yield you earn if nothing changes—is higher in EM bonds than in Treasuries or the aggregate bond index. Lower volatility plus higher carry is a combination that most investors have not yet absorbed.
What Changed: The Absence of Fiscal Dominance
The core reason for this shift, according to Eric Fine, portfolio manager of the VanEck Emerging Markets Bond ETF (ticker EMBX), is the absence of fiscal dominance in emerging markets. Fiscal dominance is the dynamic that occurs when a government has too much debt: the central bank is pressured to keep real interest rates low to service that debt, which ultimately leads to higher inflation. Fine says he has seen this movie play out roughly 80 times in emerging markets. The difference now is that most countries in his benchmark have learned the lesson. Government debt levels in many EM countries are relatively low, and their central banks are fiercely independent and focused solely on inflation. This is not just a fisca
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:58) **Episode Introduction** - Michael and Ben introduce the topic of emerging market bonds with guest Eric Fine from VanEck, noting the surprising fact that EM bond volatility is now lower than developed market bond volatility.
- 2 (02:22) **The Case for EM Bonds: Lower Vol, Higher Carry** - Eric explains the core investment case: EM bonds have lower volatility than developed market bonds, higher carry (yield), and have outperformed the Agg and Treasuries over the past decade.
- 3 (05:02) **Why Volatility Has Fallen: The Absence of Fiscal Dominance** - Eric defines the key concept of "fiscal dominance" and explains why it is no longer a problem in most EM countries.
- 4 (06:34) **EM Bonds vs. EM Equities: A Different Universe** - Eric contrasts the composition of EM bond and equity indices.
- 5 (08:28) **The Two Worlds of Local Currency Bonds** - Eric describes the spectrum of risk within local currency EM bonds.
- 6 (10:01) **Where the Work Begins: The Benchmark and Active Management** - Eric outlines his investment process, starting with a passive benchmark.
- 7 (12:25) **Currency Risk: Why They Never Hedge** - Eric explains the firm's approach to currency risk.
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Show Notes
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Eric Fine from VanEck to discuss: how emerging markets have changed, geopolitical risk, currencies, AI and more.
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