American Alchemy with Jesse Michels
American Alchemy with Jesse Michels

What I Learned From Joe Rogan (ft. Young Jamie and Viktor Hovland)

June 4, 2025

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Jesse Michels, host of American Alchemy, had just achieved a long-held dream: appearing on the Joe Rogan Experience. To celebrate, he gathered two friends—Rogan’s producer, Young Jamie, and top-ranked golfer Viktor Hovland—for a round of mini-golf in Austin. The conversation that followed, recorded for this special episode, is a relaxed but surprisingly deep dive into the state of UFO evidence, the physics of exotic propulsion, and the maddening question of why, if the government has recovered advanced technology, it still launches chemical rockets into space.

The UFO Evidence Problem: "You Just Wanna Have Something"

Hovland, a self-described UFO enthusiast, explained his own path into the topic. It began with the Pentagon-released "Gimbal" and "Go Fast" videos, then moved through Bob Lazar’s controversial story. The problem, he said, is that it’s easy to dismiss a single whistleblower. But the weight of corroboration changes things. "You hear more and more guys coming out like that," Hovland noted, "and it's very hard to just dismiss all their information. Especially when a lot of their stories corroborate each other."

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (03:05) **Episode Setup and Guests** - Jesse introduces the golf outing with Young Jamie and Viktor Hovland
  • 2 (04:26) **Viktor's Entry into UFOs** - Pentagon videos and Bob Lazar as initial catalysts
  • 3 (06:56) **Global Historical Cases** - Italian 1933 Magenta crash and Swedish ghost rockets
  • 4 (09:05) **Viktor Profile and Tour Life** - Age, schedule, and balancing golf with curiosity
  • 5 (12:17) **Skywatchers and Summoning Tech** - Dog whistle frequency device and neuromeditators
  • 6 (15:29) **Travel and Ancient Sites** - Stonehenge, Serpent Mound, and interest in Graham Hancock
  • 7 (19:12) **Pyramids and Underground Structures** - Debate over synthetic aperture radar claims

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Show Notes

I reflect on my appearance on Joe Rogan while golfing with Young Jamie and Viktor Hovland. Their conversation dives deep into UFOs, ancient civilizations, and the secrets of the pyramids. They unpack the physics of anomalous objects, the shifting media narratives, and the hidden legacy of Harold Malmgren—all while questioning what Hollywood and black-budget R&D programs aren’t telling us.


| Young Jamie |

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| Viktor Hovland |

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Chapters

00:00 The Fascination with UFOs

02:57 Exploring Ancient Civilizations and the Pyramids

05:57 The Quest for Evidence and Truth

09:07 Conspiracy Theories and Government Secrecy

11:57 Debating History and Beliefs

16:35 Unveiling Harold Malmgren's Controversial Legacy

19:32 The Complexity of Advanced Technologies and Their Origins

22:41 Exploring the Physics of Anomalous Objects

25:21 The Intersection of Science, Intelligence, and UFOs

29:59 Hollywood's Influence on UFO Narratives

35:02 The Secrets of Advanced Research and Development


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