“If You Knew What I Knew!” -Jeremy Corbell UNLEASHES On Jesse Michels | EARLY RELEASE

June 7, 2026

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Jeremy Corbell, the investigative filmmaker and co-host of Weaponized, sat down with Jesse Michels for a sprawling conversation about the state of UFO disclosure. Corbell is best known for his work on Bob Lazar and for breaking stories about whistleblowers like David Grusch, Dylan Borland, and Matthew Brown. The episode is less a linear interview and more a rapid-fire exchange between two deeply informed figures who are navigating a topic they describe as a hall of mirrors, a battlefield, and a potential gateway to a new understanding of reality.

The Grusch Origin Story and the Vetting Process

Corbell provided the backstory of how David Grusch first connected with him and his mentor, journalist George Knapp. It happened at an SCU (Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies) event in Rocket City, Alabama. While filming Knapp, a man blocked the shot and whispered to him. That man was David Grusch, who had just filed his official complaint with the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG). Corbell described the moment as the beginning of a rigorous process: "We have to vet 'em... I want to be right." The vetting was intense. Corbell’s first question to Grusch was about his "dirt"—the lowest point in his life—because that is what adversaries would use. Grusch’s answer was PTSD from combat in Afghanistan, which intelligence agencies later tried to weaponize against him by l

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1 (00:00) **Episode Introduction & Context** - Host Jesse Michels opens with a sponsor segment for Dose for Liver, then introduces guest Jeremy Corbell, a documentary filmmaker and investigative journalist who broke major UFO whistleblower stories alongside George Knapp.
2 (06:36) **David Grusch: The Bar Meeting & Vetting Process** - Corbell describes the first in-person meeting with whistleblower David Grusch at a conference in Rocket City, Alabama, where Grusch approached George Knapp at a bar.
3 (13:23) **The "Legacy Program" vs. Multiple Programs** - Corbell clarifies that the UFO effort is not one monolithic "legacy program" but a "Rubik's Cube" or "constellation" of isolated investigations with different hardware, software, and objectives.
4 (22:55) **Dr. James Lakatsky: The Insider's Confirmation** - Corbell discusses Lakatsky, a senior DIA rocket scientist who confirmed the U.S. government possesses a craft of unknown origin and has accessed its interior.
5 (29:53) **The Ontological Challenge & Why Secrecy Persists** - The conversation shifts to the deep implications of disclosure: it is an "ontological issue" about the nature of existence and what it means to be human.
6 (37:30) **Jeremy Corbell's Origin Story: Bob Lazar & John Lear** - Corbell recounts his personal awakening, triggered by hearing Bob Lazar on the radio at age 13, describing a "field propulsion system" that makes distance irrelevant.
7 (49:34) **Corroborating Lazar: The Secret & The S4 Facility** - Corbell reveals he had a "secret" – prior knowledge that a facility like S4 existed – which gave him reason to "bullet test" Lazar.

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Show Notes

Our American Alchemist this week is Jeremy Corbell. Check out Weaponized Podcast at https://www.weaponizedpodcast.com and Sleep Dog at https://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Dog-Michael-Lazovsky/dp/B0GW4JT9X1

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Jeremy Corbell spent two decades building a network of credible witnesses into classified congressional testimony. He was in the room when David Grush first whispered his ICIG complaint to George Knapp at a bar in Huntsville, Alabama, and he is one of the journalists the CIA was specifically targeting. Here is what that operation looked like: ODNI's Director's Initiative Group presented itself as a protected channel for whistleblowers. Corbell and Knapp fed it sources in good faith over nine months. Every person they brought in had their phones, computers, and communications surveilled by CIA. ODNI then fabricated a claim that Dylan Borland had drawn a classified sensor system in his testimony, a lie designed to expose him to a treason charge carrying the death penalty. When confronted, ODNI backed down. A CIA agent who ran the DIG came before Congress days before this recording and admitted the surveillance. The CIA's response was that he was not authorized to speak. That is not a denial.

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