Fake ‘Alien Signals’ Drove Him Insane... (ft. Greg Bishop)

July 5, 2025

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The Air Force Drove Him Crazy

In the late 1970s, Paul Bennewitz, an electrical engineer and private pilot who lived and worked within sight of Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, started seeing strange lights lifting off the base, flying over a mountain, and descending on the other side. Through binoculars, he could sometimes make out Air Force personnel walking around the objects before they took off. What happened next turned into a 24-hour-long stage play, as one intelligence officer later described it, with Bennewitz appearing for maybe five minutes in one scene. The rest was a counterintelligence operation that would drive him to the edge of sanity.

The Man Across the Fence

Bennewitz was no random crank. He ran Thunder Scientific, a company that manufactured temperature and humidity instruments, located near the Wyoming gate of Kirtland Air Force Base. His house in the Four Hills area of Albuquerque sat on the base's northern border. He held a master's degree in electrical engineering, was a private pilot who did aerobatic flying, and had joined APRO (Aerial Phenomena Research Organization) offering to help with technical detection of UFOs. Before the Air Force got involved, he was already exhibiting signs of paranoia—he showed up with a rifle and pistol when a psychologist came to interview a woman he was trying to regress under hypnosis.

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1 Timestamped Outline
2 (00:00) **Episode Open** - Cold open with a distress call, then intro to guest Greg Bishop and his books *Project Beta* and *It Defies Language*
3 (03:21) **Who Was Paul Benowitz?** - Background on the central figure: a small business owner living and working near Kirtland Air Force Base
4 (07:15) **Kirtland Air Force Base's UFO Pedigree** - The base's deep history with UFO lore and secret programs
5 (11:25) **Benowitz Begins Seeing Lights** - The first sightings: glowing orbs lifting off from Kirtland Air Force Base
6 (16:13) **The Air Force Gets Involved** - Benowitz contacts Kirtland about the lights; AFOSI takes interest
7 (19:16) **Bill Moore Gets Recruited** - UFO researcher Bill Moore is drawn into the intelligence operation

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Show Notes

Greg Bishop is the author of Project Beta: The Story of Paul Bennewitz, National Security, and the Creation of a Modern UFO Myth.

This conversation delves into the complex world of UFOs, focusing on Paul Bennewitz case. Bennewitz became embroiled in a web of disinformation and counterintelligence operations surrounding UFO phenomena. The discussion highlights the role of Kirtland Air Force Base in UFO lore, the psychological impacts of belief in UFOs, and the use of technology in research. It emphasizes the dangers of misinformation and the lasting legacy of Bennewitz's experiences in shaping UFO culture.

We discuss the implications of belief systems in understanding UFOs, the enigmatic figure of Richard Doty, and the social experiments surrounding UFO disclosure. The conversation also explores the scientific aspects of anti-gravity, the nature of information within the UFO community, and the challenges faced by whistleblowers. Ultimately, they reflect on the liminal space that UFOs occupy in society and the potential for future revelations.

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