All There Is with Anderson Cooper
All There Is with Anderson Cooper

Gary Sinise: ‘The Hole In The Heart Is Always There’

September 17, 2026

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Gary Sinise: ‘The Hole In The Heart Is Always There’

The actor and philanthropist Gary Sinise lost his 33-year-old son Mack to a rare spine cancer called chordoma in January 2024 — the same week Mack's debut album went to press. In conversation with Anderson Cooper, Sinise describes what it means to carry a child through a terminal illness while refusing to accept the outcome, and what he discovered in his son's phone after he was gone.

The Fight That Never Had a Plan B

Mack Sinise was diagnosed with chordoma at 27, after years of tailbone pain. The tumor, likely present from birth, had grown slowly along his spine. The same week Mack was diagnosed, Sinise's wife Moira was undergoing treatment for stage-three breast cancer. She went into remission; Mack did not.

Sinise describes himself as "the dad who was the fighter next to him, fighting every minute." He spent years searching for drugs, doctors, and experimental options. He never had a direct conversation with Mack about what might happen if the treatments failed. "I didn't want to be thinking about the final days with him because I was always hopeful that we were gonna find something," Sinise says. "I thought if I'd had that conversation with him, it might signal to him that I was giving up."

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  • 1 Main Outline
  • 2 (00:32) **Introduction to Gary Sinise** - Anderson Cooper introduces the episode and Gary Sinise, noting his acting career, his foundation for veterans, and the loss of his son Mack to chordoma at age 33.
  • 3 (01:44) **Grief as a Changing Companion** - Gary describes how grief evolves over time, rejecting the idea that time heals wounds.
  • 4 (04:53) **Discovering Mack's Secret Recordings** - After Mack's death, Gary went through his son's phone and found videos Mack had recorded late at night while confined to a hospital bed.
  • 5 (07:27) **Mack's ICU Turning Point** - 14 months before he died, Mack spent 10 days in the ICU and doctors spoke to him seriously about his body failing.
  • 6 (08:23) **The Unspoken Goodbye** - Anderson asks if Gary regrets not having deeper conversations with Mack about dying.
  • 7 (09:48) **"I'm Thinking About Death"** - Gary recalls the only time Mack openly spoke about death, after his fifth spine surgery.

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Gary Sinise’s son Mac died in 2024 at 33 after a yearslong battle with a rare cancer called chordoma. He shares with Anderson the music his son created in his final year and how Mac still feels “very present” in his life. For more of “All There Is with Anderson Cooper” visit cnn.com/allthereis. 

Host: Anderson Cooper Showrunner: Haley Thomas Producers: Emily Williams and Kyra Dahring Video Editor: Eric Zembrzuski Technical Director: Dan Dzula Bookers: Kerry Rubin and Kari Pricher

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