What you'll learn

• 1 (00:59) **Defining the Role: Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy** - Sarah Rogers explains the difference between traditional diplomacy (government-to-government) and public diplomacy (government-to-foreign publics), and how her portfolio includes countering disinformation and overseeing soft power like the Fulbright program and World Cup.
• 2 (02:48) **The Transatlantic Free Speech Clash: UK & EU Regulations** - Rogers breaks down the two main European regulatory frameworks that are fining American platforms for upholding First Amendment standards.
• 3 (07:46) **Extraterritorial Overreach: The EU Threat Against X** - Rogers details a case where a former EU official threatened Elon Musk with enforcement action simply for hosting an interview with President Trump, crossing a line into offending American interests and values.
• 4 (09:57) **The Chilling Effect: 12,000 Arrests for Speech in the UK** - David Sacks highlights the staggering number of UK arrests for speech acts in a single year, which exceeds arrests in Russia, China, and Turkey. Rogers explains how the Online Safety Act acts as a portal for existing, broad censorship laws.
• 5 (15:55) **The "Censorship Tariff": Fining American Tech Companies** - The hosts discuss how the DSA and OSA function as a de facto tax on American companies, disproportionately targeting them and acting as a "digital speed trap" for revenue.
• 6 (18:56) **The Geopolitical Trade-Off** - The conversation turns to whether this is a trade issue. If the DSA is a tariff, then it becomes part of a larger trade negotiation where the US can set reciprocal tariffs.
• 7 (19:54) **The Purpose of Censorship** - David Sacks argues that censorship always protects the people in power, insulating them from criticism. He contrasts the UK's suppression of migration debate with the US's tolerance of intense criticism of President Trump.

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