Under Secretary of State Sarah B. Rogers on dismantling the "Censorship Industrial Complex"
January 22, 2026
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5 min read🎙️ The Speakers & Context
- The Format: Live podcast interview at Davos USA House.
- The Key Players:
- Guest: Sarah Rogers, Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy at the U.S. State Department—credible as a former litigator defending First Amendment cases (e.g., Charlie Hebdo, NRA v. Vullo) now leading U.S. diplomatic pushback on global censorship.
- Hosts: David Sacks (All-In Podcast co-host, Trump administration official) provides contrarian tech-policy lens; Jason Calacanis (podcaster, investor) probes business impacts; Trevor Burrus (libertarian analyst) adds legal depth.
- The Vibe: Combative yet optimistic—fierce critique of European censorship, bullish on U.S. free speech resurgence under Trump.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Sarah Rogers**
- 2 (02:23) **US-Europe Free Speech Tensions**
- 3 (04:12) **UK Online Safety Act Enforcement**
- 4 (09:25) **UK Speech Arrest Examples**
- 5 (13:44) **Migration Policy Speech Prosecutions**
- 6 (15:55) **Fines on US Platforms**
- 7 (19:46) **Global Censorship Trends**
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Show Notes
(0:00) Jason and Sacks welcome Sarah B. Rogers!
(2:22) Free speech, EU censorship, OSA/DSA overreach?
(13:44) Censorship on mass migration policies, major fines against US companies, the DSA as a "censorship tariff"
(22:59) AI deepfakes, giving freedom the benefit of the doubt, Biden-era censorship
(34:42) Understanding the "Censorship Industrial Complex" in America
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