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5 min readIn a 1949 paper, Alan Turing proposed an "imitation game": if a person corresponds via text with both a human and a machine, could the machine ever fool the person into thinking it is human? That question, known as the Turing test, has become newly urgent with the rise of large language models. But for a gathering convened by the 18Forty podcast in partnership with the American Securities Foundation, the deeper question was not whether a machine can pass as human, but what it actually means to be human in the first place. In a live conversation, host David Bashevkin sat down with Rabbi Steven Gotlib and Rabbi Eli Rubin to explore the nature of the self, the soul, language, and what AI forces us to clarify about ourselves.
The Torah's Vocabulary of the Self
Rubin began by grounding the discussion in the opening of Genesis. Unlike other creations, which emerge from divine speech or from the earth, the human being is formed directly by God: "Let us make man," and then God created man. Rubin emphasized that the Torah calls the human being medaber — the one who speaks. In Chabad thought, this is not a superficial capacity for outward expression. Language, Rubin explained, is "engraved on the soul in the very essence of the being of what it is to be human." It is not a peripheral output of internal thinking; it is the core of what a human is.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:55) **Introduction: The Core Question** - David Bashevkin introduces the series on AI and frames the central question: what makes us human, and how do we preserve that humanity in the age of AI?
- 2 (21:01) **The Torah’s Language of Self** - The conversation begins by examining the biblical and kabbalistic vocabulary for the components of the self.
- 3 (26:10) **Three Philosophical Models of Self** - Steven Gotlib outlines the major philosophical frameworks for understanding consciousness and the self.
- 4 (30:03) **What is the Soul, and How Do We Access It?** - The panelists interrogate the colloquial use of "soul" and explore how to discern its different layers.
- 5 (36:31) **The Hard Problem and the "Gap" of Self** - Steven Gotlib uses a live demonstration to illustrate the mystery of conscious experience.
- 6 (40:29) **The Function of Law (Halacha) in Cultivating Self** - The discussion turns to how a legal system like Halacha, which often feels restrictive, actually helps form the self.
- 7 (45:27) **Rapid Fire: Defining Humanity** - The panelists give their concise answers to what makes humans unique and what practices connect them to their humanity.
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Show Notes
In this episode of the 18Forty Podcast—recorded at the 18Forty X ASFoundation AI Summit—we speak with Rabbi Eli Rubin and Rabbi Steven Gotlib about what differentiates human intelligence from artificial intelligence.
In this episode we discuss:
- What does AI teach us about what it means to be human?
- What is the soul, and how do we interact with it?
- Should we be frightened or encouraged by the development of AI?
Interview begins at 16:49.
Steven Gotlib is Associate Rabbi at Mekor Habracha/Center City Synagogue and Director of the Center City Beit Midrash in Philadelphia. Steven received rabbinic ordination from the Rabbi Isaac Elchanan Theological Seminary, certificates in Mental Health Counseling and Spiritual Entrepreneurship, and a BA in Communication and Jewish Studies from Rutgers University.
Eli Rubin, a contributing editor at Chabad.org, is the author of Kabbalah and the Rupture of Modernity: An Existential History of Chabad Hasidism and a co-author of Social Vision: The Lubavitcher Rebbe’s Transformative Paradigm for the World. He studied Chassidic literature and Jewish Law at the Rabbinical College of America and at yeshivot in the UK, the US and Australia, and received his PhD from the Department of Hebrew and Jewish Studies, University College London.
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Genesis 7;23
Rashi on Genesis 7:23
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